The Glade 4.0

"Turn the lights down, the party just got wilder."
It is currently Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:22 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 18 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:27 pm 
Offline
Perfect Equilibrium
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:27 pm
Posts: 3127
Location: Coffin Corner
About time: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4816607

Quote:
Associated Press

NEW YORK -- Mark McGwire finally came clean Monday, admitting he used steroids when he broke baseball's home run record in 1998.

McGwire said in a statement sent to The Associated Press on Monday that he used steroids on and off for nearly a decade.

Quote:
McGwire statement

McGwire Text of the statement Mark McGwire issued Monday, admitting he used steroids during his career:

"Now that I have become the hitting coach for the St. Louis Cardinals, I have the chance to do something that I wish I was able to do five years ago.

I never knew when, but I always knew this day would come. It's time for me to talk about the past and to confirm what people have suspected. I used steroids during my playing career and I apologize. I remember trying steroids very briefly in the 1989/1990 off season and then after I was injured in 1993, I used steroids again. I used them on occasion throughout the '90s, including during the 1998 season.

I wish I had never touched steroids. It was foolish and it was a mistake. I truly apologize. Looking back, I wish I had never played during the steroid era.

During the mid-'90s, I went on the DL seven times and missed 228 games over five years. I experienced a lot of injuries, including a ribcage strain, a torn left heel muscle, a stress fracture of the left heel, and a torn right heel muscle. It was definitely a miserable bunch of years and I told myself that steroids could help me recover faster. I thought they would help me heal and prevent injuries, too.

I'm sure people will wonder if I could have hit all those home runs had I never taken steroids. I had good years when I didn't take any and I had bad years when I didn't take any. I had good years when I took steroids and I had bad years when I took steroids. But no matter what, I shouldn't have done it and for that I'm truly sorry.

Baseball is really different now -- it's been cleaned up. The commissioner and the players' association implemented testing and they cracked down, and I'm glad they did.

I'm grateful to the Cardinals for bringing me back to baseball. I want to say thank you to Cardinals owner Mr. DeWitt, to my GM, John Mozeliak, and to my manager, Tony La Russa. I can't wait to put the uniform on again and to be back on the field in front of the great fans in Saint Louis. I've always appreciated their support and I intend to earn it again, this time as hitting coach. I'm going to pour myself into this job and do everything I can to help the Cardinals hitters become the best players for years to come.

After all this time, I want to come clean. I was not in a position to do that five years ago in my congressional testimony, but now I feel an obligation to discuss this and to answer questions about it. I'll do that, and then I just want to help my team."


"I wish I had never touched steroids," McGwire said in a statement. "It was foolish and it was a mistake. I truly apologize. Looking back, I wish I had never played during the steroid era."

During a 20-minute phone call with The AP on Monday, McGwire says he called commissioner Bud Selig and Cardinals manager Tony La Russa earlier in the day to personally apologize.

McGwire also used human growth hormone, a person close to McGwire said, speaking on condition of anonymity because McGwire didn't include that detail in his statement.

McGwire's decision to admit using steroids was prompted by his decision to become hitting coach of the St. Louis Cardinals, his final big league team. La Russa, McGwire's manager in Oakland and St. Louis, has been among McGwire's biggest supporters and thinks returning to the field can restore the former slugger's reputation.

"I never knew when, but I always knew this day would come," McGwire said. "It's time for me to talk about the past and to confirm what people have suspected."

He became the second major baseball star in less than a year to admit using illegal steroids, following the New York Yankees' Alex Rodriguez last February.

Others have been tainted but have denied knowingly using illegal drugs, including Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Sammy Sosa and David Ortiz.

Bonds has been indicted on charges he made false statements to a federal grand jury and obstructed justice. Clemens is under investigation by a federal grand jury trying to determine whether he lied to a congressional committee.

"I'm sure people will wonder if I could have hit all those home runs had I never taken steroids," McGwire said. "I had good years when I didn't take any, and I had bad years when I didn't take any. I had good years when I took steroids, and I had bad years when I took steroids. But no matter what, I shouldn't have done it and for that I'm truly sorry."

Big Mac's reputation has been in tatters since March 17, 2005, when he refused to answer questions at a Congressional hearing. Instead, he repeatedly said "I'm not here to talk about the past" when asked whether he took illegal steroids when he hit a then-record 70 home runs in 1998 or at any other time.

"After all this time, I want to come clean," he said. "I was not in a position to do that five years ago in my congressional testimony, but now I feel an obligation to discuss this and to answer questions about it. I'll do that, and then I just want to help my team."

The person close to McGwire said McGwire made the decision not to answer questions at that hearing on the advice of his lawyers.

McGwire disappeared from the public eye following his retirement as a player following the 2001 season. When the Cardinals hired the 47-year-old as coach on Oct. 26, they said he would address questions before spring training, and Monday's statement broke his silence.

"I remember trying steroids very briefly in the 1989/1990 offseason and then after I was injured in 1993, I used steroids again," McGwire said in his statement. "I used them on occasion throughout the '90s, including during the 1998 season."

McGwire said he took steroids to get back on the field, sounding much like the Yankees' Andy Pettitte two years ago when he admitted using HGH.

"During the mid-'90s, I went on the DL seven times and missed 228 games over five years," McGwire said in the statement. "I experienced a lot of injuries, including a ribcage strain, a torn left heel muscle, a stress fracture of the left heel, and a torn right heel muscle. It was definitely a miserable bunch of years, and I told myself that steroids could help me recover faster. I thought they would help me heal and prevent injuries, too."

Since the congressional hearing, baseball owners and players toughened their drug program twice, increasing the penalty for a first steroids offense from 10 days to 50 games in November 2005 and strengthening the power of the independent administrator in April 2008, following the publication of the Mitchell Report.

"Baseball is really different now -- it's been cleaned up," McGwire said. "The commissioner and the players' association implemented testing and they cracked down, and I'm glad they did."


Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press

_________________
"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:29 pm 
Offline
I got nothin.
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:15 pm
Posts: 11160
Location: Arafys, AKA El Müso Guapo!
Image

_________________
Image
Holy shitsnacks!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:20 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:28 pm
Posts: 476
Location: The 10th circle
He does this right after the HOF vote where he didn't do so well, and right as he's being rehired into the league as batting coach for the Cardinals. This is like a prisoner who's suddenly found god when he's put on death row. Of course McGwire has no real remorse over what he's done, and neither do most if not all of the players who took banned substances. I just wish someone would come along with the balls to dispense with all the PC bullshit and say "Look, when enough people do something that actually benefits themselves, and no one really says 'stop, this is wrong', most people will wind up trying it, whether it's against the rules or not. You had one overwhelming force moving in one direction and one weak force moving in the opposite direction. No one, from players to coaches to owners to Bud Selig, really tried to stop this when it started, so here we are. And you know what? It doesn't really matter. It doesn't mean anything. So just pay your $40, sit in your seat, eat your hotdog and enjoy the damn game."


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:00 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:58 am
Posts: 1596
And in other shocking news: Richard Simmons is gay! Film at 11.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:37 pm 
Offline
Not a F'n Boy Scout
User avatar

Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:10 pm
Posts: 5202
Monte wrote:
Water is wet.

_________________
Quote:
19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

Ezekiel 23:19-20 


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:23 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:49 pm
Posts: 3455
Location: St. Louis, MO
Obviously, it was widely held that McGwire had used steroids during his playing years. I don't think it was the HoF voting that prompted him to come clean, after all, this was the fourth one. I would doubt it even to be that much of a factor.

However, say what you want about Mark McGwire, you can't say he lied to the congressional committee.

Also, Bud Selig is a two-faced rat fink. Reinstate Pete Rose.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:50 pm 
Offline
Perfect Equilibrium
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:27 pm
Posts: 3127
Location: Coffin Corner
I think that goes without saying. It's just the timing of his formal admittance I find ... reprehensible.

_________________
"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:10 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:08 am
Posts: 6465
Location: The Lab
I think it has more to do with his being hired as a hitting coach for the Cardinals. He wanted to get it out there before spring training so it won't be as much of a distraction.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:34 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:01 pm
Posts: 834
Yeah, that's how I saw it as well. Better now, so then to keep silent and make the players have to endure all of the questions.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:42 pm
Posts: 406
Midgen wrote:
I think it has more to do with his being hired as a hitting coach for the Cardinals. He wanted to get it out there before spring training so it won't be as much of a distraction.

I'd believe that if he didn't insist that he didn't take it for increased hitting performance. He said it was used for health recovery purposes. It's a classic case of "coming clean," in order to tell the story how you want it to be heard. So he took it for health purposes and the fact that his arms turned into tree trunks were just an undesired byproduct? That's complete BS. He took it to get healthier quicker, and to perform better, pure and simple. The fact that he's saying it was for recovery alone tells me that he's trying to suggest that his home-runs were all legit, when it's clear they weren't, even before he came clean about doing it.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Re:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:08 am
Posts: 6465
Location: The Lab
Roophus Gunthar wrote:
Midgen wrote:
I think it has more to do with his being hired as a hitting coach for the Cardinals. He wanted to get it out there before spring training so it won't be as much of a distraction.

I'd believe that if he didn't insist that he didn't take it for increased hitting performance. He said it was used for health recovery purposes. It's a classic case of "coming clean," in order to tell the story how you want it to be heard. So he took it for health purposes and the fact that his arms turned into tree trunks were just an undesired byproduct? That's complete BS. He took it to get healthier quicker, and to perform better, pure and simple. The fact that he's saying it was for recovery alone tells me that he's trying to suggest that his home-runs were all legit, when it's clear they weren't, even before he came clean about doing it.


Well, I would agree with you, except for the timing of it. If he wasn't needing a job in MLB, he would have been happy to have just kept his mouth shut about it altogether. The fact that he came out at all is because he had to to avoid chaos when he showed up at spring training (I'm pretty sure LaRussa and the Card's organization would have made coming out a pre-requisite for taking the job).


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:15 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:01 pm
Posts: 834
If LaRussa is to be believed, he was made aware of the steroid use only hours before McGwire's statements were released to the public.

Which got an eye roll from myself when I heard that sound byte.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:14 pm 
Offline
Grrr... Eat your oatmeal!!
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:07 pm
Posts: 5073
why is HGH banned in MLB? a lot of weight lifters take it. What is the big deal?

_________________
Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:22 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:01 pm
Posts: 834
The cynic in me wants to say it's only banned now because a few politicians wanted to grand stand and clean up sports 'for the sake of the children. Plus Baseball seems to have a hang up over records that other sports don't seem to have.

All the while the MLB was happy to turn a blind eye to it while the home run chases made baseball meaningful again to a great number of sports fans.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:56 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:08 am
Posts: 6465
Location: The Lab
Uinan wrote:
If LaRussa is to be believed, he was made aware of the steroid use only hours before McGwire's statements were released to the public.

Which got an eye roll from myself when I heard that sound byte.


Taking LaRussa for his word on this would be quite the leap, considering that he was McGuires AND Canseco's manager in Oakland, and McGuires manager in St. Louis.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:03 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:42 pm
Posts: 406
darksiege wrote:
why is HGH banned in MLB? a lot of weight lifters take it. What is the big deal?

A lot of weight lifters take it, so it must be a legal substance. :lol:

Here are just a few of the effects of taking this stuff:

Decreased body fat
Increased muscle mass
Increased bone density
Increased energy levels

How about the negative side-effects:

-- Acromegaly (Change in facial structure, increased hands and feet size, and also decreases life expectancy considerably)
-- Premature death (in case of acromegaly)
-- Heart enlargement (due to prolonged use of HGH. Can't be reversed)
-- Low blood sugar with risk of going into a diabetic coma
-- Excessive hair growth all over the body
-- Excessive water retention
-- Liver damage
-- Thyroid damage

It's not natural, and it has those effects on the body. Why wouldn't it be illegal for a professional athlete to take it? Making a substance like this legal would basically promote its use.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:50 pm 
Offline
Mountain Man
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:15 pm
Posts: 3374
Uinan wrote:
The cynic in me wants to say it's only banned now because a few politicians wanted to grand stand and clean up sports 'for the sake of the children. Plus Baseball seems to have a hang up over records that other sports don't seem to have.

All the while the MLB was happy to turn a blind eye to it while the home run chases made baseball meaningful again to a great number of sports fans.

Ya know, it's funny - I hated those home-run years with Sosa and McGwire. Especially hated that stupid little hop that Sosa did. Small-ball for me, man.

_________________
This cold and dark tormented hell
Is all I`ll ever know
So when you get to heaven
May the devil be the judge


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:09 pm 
Offline
pbp Hack
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:45 pm
Posts: 7585
Quote:
Also, Bud Selig is a two-faced rat fink. Reinstate Pete Rose.


This. for the win.

_________________
I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 18 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 99 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group