The Glade 4.0

Why does the Tea Party continue to advocate for the violent overthrow of our government?

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

He's right, of course. Hopefully, we won't have to go to the ammunition box.

If he were advocating violent revolution, he wouldn't be saying that, he'd be rallying folks to get their guns. But then, why worry about accuracy in reading what he says?

I didn't get the "2" on first blush. Looks more like someone just stuck a pause button on it.

Why do you constantly make threads for no other reason than flame-baiting?

Why do you intentionally misread what people say?

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

I'm sorry, but how is it misreading this man's threat? He is very clearly saying that if politicians do not do what his party wants, they will go to the bullet box and overthrow the government. I can't really articulate a more anti-American sentiment, I think, that that one. The Tea Party clearly has, as it's position, that if the government does not behave how they want it to behave, they will begin killing people.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Really? Where. Point me to it. All I can see is him saying he doesn't want that to happen.



How so? Our country was founded in armed revolution against a despot with far less intrusiveness and control than our current government?



Provide evidence of this libelous statement.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

How did you miss this -



He is clearly making a threat. If the democratic process does not go in their favor, they will kill people to get their way. The three boxes he talks about have to do with the democratic process. His scorn for that process is evident. He will kill people if he does not get his way via the democratic process laid out in our constitution.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

And?

"The time for using the knife to remove this cancer is long gone. Bring forth the torch." Purge them with fire. Its the only way to be sure.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Non sequitur, bare assertion fallacy, appeal to consequences.


He isn't "clearly" doing anything. He's talking about how change happens. People have been talking about a "revolution at the ballot box" or similar since the 2008 elections, and liberals before that.

Further, no "scorn" is evident whatsoever. You're projecting.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Monte... the reason it is advocated to have armed revolution is because it is what the framers of the constitution intended to prevent gross misuse of power by the government. It was intended to prevent a tyranny.

I am sorry that you cannot seem to grasp what the founders of the country have said in other writings.

Your lack of skill in comprehending what has been written does not equate to what you are consistently claiming.

Thank you, drive through.

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Furthermore, saying "we hope X doesn't happen" is pretty much the exact opposite of "advocating X happens."

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Why put X on the table in the first place? Why not simply say we are lobbying for people to get out and vote for change?

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Hopwin:

Because there does come a point when there are no alternatives left. I'm not entirely convinced we're at that point, yet. It is, however, approaching. The government entity has become its own organism. It perpetuates itself and its power. When the U.S. ran out of frontier, the power escalation of the U.S. government turned inward.

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The four boxes quotes go back to at least 1971 and is attributed to Ed Howdershelt

More people are becoming dissatisfied with the way or government is operating, without any regard to the wishes of the people. I know several people that believe if things don't change there's going to be violence. Yet I have yet to hear anyone calling the people to arms.

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History of the Condom
In 1272, the Muslim Arabs invented the condom, using a goat's lower intestine.
In 1873, the British somewhat refined the idea, by taking the intestine out of the goat first.

So Monte, I am to believe there is no point at which armed conflict is justified?

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

How is your life any different now than it was 10 years ago? I've lived through I think 6 different Presidential Administrations and my day to day life has not been altered in any way shape or form. My personal liberties have not been altered, my taxes have remained relatively flat. What has specifically convinced you that life is now unbearably changed?

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I doubt very much that there is going to be a call to arms. I think it'll be more like a flashpoint and everything will explode. Some union thugs will beat up tea partiers, as we've seen happen already. Someone will be trying to intimidate voters and a fight will erupt. The Senate will (figuratively) give the people the bird. That's how I see it playing out, a slow build-up of anger that just explodes.

*edit* And don't kid yourself. There are a LOT of angry people in the U.S. now. Some will say it's justifiable anger, some will say it's not. In the end, that won't matter.

Adjust your hem, your hypocrisy is showing again Monte.

Hopwin:

In that last ten years? Quite a lot actually. I have watched my government "illegally" squander the resources of the Social Security trust while systematically increasing payroll taxes and their thresholds. I have watched payroll taxes increase without any corresponding increase in services. I have watched my government orchestrate two financial crises that need not happen (although, neither were exactly intentional). I now contend with a Congress and Senate hellbent on passing legislation for which I see less popular support than is claimed by biased and directed polling. I can no longer fly out of certain airports in my private plane, because increased regulation in poor response to an unquantifiable threat has made it both time exhausting and inefficient. I can no longer secure my funds in anonymous Swiss Accounts with, ironically, do not bear interest and cost money to maintain. I can no longer capitalize short term investments without prohibitive penalties in the form of extra taxes.

In just the last week, I have watched a President threaten private business that done its due diligence and fulfilled its obligation. I have watched a sitting President coerce the private finance industry into to bearing the consequences of his decisions. And MOST damming of all, I have watched the majority of this nation applaud him for making that decision.

So, why do I think the time is approaching where there will be no alternatives? Because the government has been positioning itself against the people of this nation for at least the last 100 years. With the possible exception of Eisenhower's Presidency, the government has been mostly inefficient, mostly irresponsible, and mostly hellbent on micromanaging the lives of people who generally just want to be alone.

Hell, let's just look at the fraud that is the Healthcare Reform proposals coming out of our House and Senate. Indeed, let's just talk about the "Cadillac Insurance Policy" provisions.

'Cadillac' Insurance Plans Explained

If you read the link, you find that a "Cadillac" Policy has a total cost of $8500 a year or more in premiums, including the employer provided part of most group insurance policies. That will cover about 90% of all group policies in the country. So, the options become ...

Pay a tax for meeting a Federal Mandate.
Pay a fine and a tax for failing to meet a Federal Mandate.

Yet, the President is wrongfully claiming that these plans will increase coverage. He's actually outright lying. Because the threshold on "Cadillac" Policies is so low, this all amounts to an increase in taxation on EVERYONE, even those he promised not to tax. It will also eliminate the majority of group insurance policies provided by employers, because employees won't be able to meet the tax requirements for their "Cadillac" Policies. And then these people who "can afford" health insurance won't have access to whatever public option (or lack thereof) is being devised behind closed doors (so much for transparency there).

It's simply a tax grab (at best).

Do I think this is all unique to Obama? Not really. They're politicians. They make their living by selling Snake Oil to Used Cars Salesmen.

Oh, and since I might as well go on a rant here ...

Who the **** does Barack Obama think he is? At what point is it the banking industry's responsibility to pay for his decision to nationalize General Motors and liquidate Chrysler? They paid back their money. They got out from under his thumb, so his response is to tax them to pay for HIS boneheaded decisions as the executive? No, no, no, no, no ...

They don't owe anything to the taxpayers. They don't have to pay back the bailout of industries that were failing on their own. They aren't the enemy. And if he doesn't stop weaponizing compensation and competitive wages, then the real working talent in this country is going to look for greener pastures.

So what makes me think we're reaching that tipping point? We have an idiot in the White House who wants to scapegoat the last wealth generating industry in the United States for HIS MISTAKES.

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Let's not forget the various infringements of civil liberties, and the heavy-handed nature of federal prosecutors that has evolved in the last 10-20 years.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Do you support the violent overthrow of our government?




This, right here, is absolutely asinine. We had an election. The wishes of the people were counted, and the election has consequences. Turning to violence because government isn't doing what a small group of fringe believers wants *isn't* liberty, it isn't freedom, it's violent tyranny.



This guy just did. So has Michelle Bachmann. And several other right wing lunatics like them. Elmo has called for the murder of politicians that vote in ways he disagrees with. I guess when you're a conservative, and you fail to enforce your will on the country via the democratic crisis, it's time to start shedding blood.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Yes. I do. I fully support dragging every last corrupt, useless, son of a ***** **** that presumes to take my money and tell me how I should be thankful for it out into the street and doing them execution style. One after another until every last one of them is a moldering rotting corpse. Then, we can cut their heads off and place them on pikes as a warning to the next batch of politicians that some programs and incentives come with too high a price. And I can wave at them, like this (/essays a little wave, and a smile).

I would have no remorse whatsoever at the lot of them each receiving 190 grains of righteousness. Term limits FTW.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Are you aware you have a rather simplistic view of politics and the democratic process?

Tell me something, do you believe that carte blanche is given to the winner in an election?

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Given how upset he gets when voters decide to deny gay marriages.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

Then gay marriage doesn't need to happen.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones