The Glade 4.0

Never used weed. I can't see myself ever doing so.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Weed, and it was for a variety of reasons.

And thank you, Micheal, although I'm not sure congratz are really necessary. I don't think there is anything wrong with smoking pot, and I had no problems stopping. It just isn't for me these days.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Why weed when there's booze? Well, alcohol is more harmful for starters. Then again, I'm not really a weed guy. I do prefer to drink. I just see it how it is.

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I'm not buying the "alcohol is more harmful" thing. People love to wank off to how great weed supposedly is but you're still... inhaling smoke.

Some types of alcohol, in very moderate amounts are good for you as well.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

True, but you don't have to smoke cannabis deratives. They can be brewed into teas or their oils can be cooked into foods. THC is largely non-toxic, and the level at which it becomes toxic to humans is virtually unachievable without excessive doses of extracted THC. However, THC can affect the body, permanantly, in more ways than just toxicity.

That's not to say either is good for you or bad, nor that either is better than the other or worse. I agree in that aspect. I beileve they, for the most part, are largely non-harmful for most people, though it does supplant our time, money and energy from doing something more useful. They can lead to abuse, but I think we all agree that it is everyone's own personal responsibility to regulate the behavioral use of such substances.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Full agreement.

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"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

i vaporize, i can't stand smoking.

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Ron Paul 2012

I don't smoke, but I guess I just see how harmful drinking is. You can't just look at the physically harmful affects of drinking. You have to factor in drunk driving deaths, emotional issues associated with addiction, and the overall harm it causes.

Also, extensive research by experts, which to my knowledge, none of us are, has been conducted on the subject. Alcohol and tobacco have been rated in the top ten as far as most harmful drugs, while weed doesn't even break the top 10.



Article Here - - - >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/23/mkay_drugs_are_baad/, though full article is a sub-link which requires registering:

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A large part of that is the prevalence of use of of the drugs and since alcohol and tobacco are legal, they get used a lot more. If weed were legal you'd probably see a massive upshoot in the number of driving deaths and injuries attributable to intoxication on it. Moreover, while you have to factor in the emotional issues of alcohol, weed has just as many. They're just different. The fact that it's less addictive doesn't mean people who overuse it don't have problems. Again, I'm not buying it, especially since the use of weed is artificially depressed compared to alcohol by legal status.

Really, the most dangerous drug looking only at harm should be BOTOX, since the botulinum toxin its made from is 10 million times more lethal than Sarin nerve gas. However, it's not a drug of abuse so its prevalence of use is pretty much 0 and it doesn't make the list.

Weed gets too much of a free pass from people compared to alcohol and tobacco.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

*shrug* I suppose it does get too much of a free pass, however it is illegal, so I don't know how you can consider that a free pass. I always thought alcohol got the free pass, out of all of them.

Until I can consider myself an "expert," I'm not going to say one is more dangerous than the other for certain. I'm certainly nothing close to en expert. Experts have studied the effects of all drugs quite intensively. Claiming to know more than the collective community of experts is just silly.

Also, I don't see the legalization of weed causing a huge spike in driving deaths like alcohol. Do you understand what the statistics associated with drunk driving fatalities look like? You honestly think you'd see weed fatalities at that same level? Drinking is more dangerous from a driving perspective, in my unprofessional opinion.

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Since I'm in law enforcement, yes, I'm well aware of the statistics.

Part of the reason weed gets a free pass is that so many people think it should be legalized, so they minimize the effects of it in order to make a case for legalization. I don't disagree with legalizing it, but I don't agree with the euphoric claims about how great (or at least innocuous) it is.

Weed's easy to get, but alcohol is even easier. If weed could be had as readily as booze, I have no doubt that weed accident statistics would be reasonably similar to those from alcohol.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I dunno though, I think weed and alcohol are both pretty damn easy to get. Getting weed maybe you have to know certain people or talk to people whereas with alcohol you just have to go to the store or know someone who's 21.

As far as it's effects on driving, consider this...to me alcohol is like, the buzz from it makes your mind think less about the details. Weed does just the opposite I find I'm way more careful and conscious of my surroundings, and focused on what I'm doing when I'm a bit high.

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Ron Paul 2012

The physical effects of weed vs alcohol are quite different. One is a hell of a lot more dangerous when behind a wheel. As I said before, I'm not a weed smoking pro-legalization guy. I really don't care one way or the other and I don't smoke. I just see alcohol as a far more dangerous drug when combined with driving.

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alcohol is far more debilitating that's for sure.

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Ron Paul 2012

Alcohol is not "far more debilitating" than weed in terms of your ability to drive.

If you think you're driving better high than you would buzzed, you're fooling yourself. Plenty of people think they drive better after 1 or 2 drinks too.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I have to agree with DE here. The only difference I've seen between drunks and stoners that have wrecked their cars is the stoner is usually laughing about it and the drunk is trying to blame someone else. Both cars are still totaled.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Having both been a pot head and an alcoholic in the past, I can say that while they are different, neither is safer to drive under the influence of.

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"I love this **** team right here."
-Jonathan Quick

DE is absolutely correct.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

I'd say weed improves my driving ability, and alcohol decreases it. Weed makes me focus on exactly what I need to focus on, and it makes me put 100% effort into what I'm doing, while still being able to take on whatever else might come up. I'm much more cautious and my thought patterns are focused on what I would do if this guy swerved in front of me, etc, etc..

Alcohol just makes me not wanna think about driving...I've been out on the road once after only a few drinks and it really takes away from your ability to focus on the road, and it makes you swerve.




Ridiculous stereotype is ridiculous.

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Ron Paul 2012

It's not a stereotype, or ridiculous.

You can claim it makes you drive better all you want, but you're just kidding yourself.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

lmao whatever

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Ron Paul 2012

There's no way you're a better driver when you're under the influence.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Nev, don't end up in the ED one day because you were testing the theory.

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...Live as if you'll die tomorrow

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Erectile Dysfunction?

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Ron Paul 2012

ED in this case means Emergency Department.

And yes, I know you were teasing.

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