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I'm sorry >.<

I'll go and give nail and hair advice in rants instead... and steal Kira for our own aussie hotness instead... /evil grin


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You! Out!

Quit being sensible in here! This isn't the place for it!


Here here! Bring us more ale and wenches!

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I hope by ale you mean him, and by wenches you mean you. If it got swapped we'd never see either if you ever again. >=D


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Come and get them... big boy... >=D


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Alright, will do. As long as you don't smoke around me ... I'm just a kid!

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If you're old enough to drink, you're old enough to be smoked like a fish hehe >=D

p.s. I think we killed the thread...


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Jocificus wrote:

I don't usually get involved in this forum, but I just have to point out that this is straight up false. There have been multiple times in the earth's history that CO2 levels were far higher than what there is now, levels far higher than anything we'll produce in the next few decades or more even. Just because the CO2 doesn't disappear magically doesn't mean the Earth can't handle it.


This is simply, factually, absolutely untrue.

Before human interaction, our levels were 200ppm. Now they are 380ppm. While naturally occuring CO2 accounts for 95% of the total amount in the atmosphere, it's our contribution that tips the natural balance. CO2 released by Volcanoes, for example, only constitute 1% of the total that we humans produce. I bring that example up because it is frequently, ignorantly, and falsely cited as a reason to not worry so much about CO2 levels.

The two major causes for the imbalance in CO2 levels is our burning of fossil fuels and our deforestation. Those two factors combine to put us out of balance. Had we not started doing these things, our CO2 levels would have remained pretty stable. We would not be verging on disaster, like we are now.

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Imo, the CC uproar is realy about one thing: selfishness. It's about how it affects us, as a species. The earth getting a little warmer (or colder as the case may be) won't harm it. It will just make things a little more difficult on us until we adapt to the new temperature ranges.


This is a misunderstanding of the realities of what we are facing of an almost unspeakable magnitude. We *are* killing the earth. A 3 degree change in average global temperatures would have disastrous results for our society, economy, and our life. It wouldn't be just a small adjustment. It wouldn't be just a nip here and a tuck there.

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Sources! to both of you, quote your sources to back up your points.

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Monte wrote:
Jocificus wrote:

I don't usually get involved in this forum, but I just have to point out that this is straight up false. There have been multiple times in the earth's history that CO2 levels were far higher than what there is now, levels far higher than anything we'll produce in the next few decades or more even. Just because the CO2 doesn't disappear magically doesn't mean the Earth can't handle it.


This is simply, factually, absolutely untrue.


Either your bias is leading to you assume you understand what was written, or you are completely misled, or intentionally trying to mislead others. There was nothing in that statement that limited Jocificus' statement to a comparison between pre and post industrial revolution.

Historically, the CO2 levels in the atmosphere have been significantly higher than they are currently, and there are easy resources available that discuss the levels.

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In 2009, the CO2 global average concentration in Earth's atmosphere was about 0.0387% by volume, or 387 parts per million by volume (ppmv).[1][2] This is 103 ppmv (36%) above the 1832 ice core levels of 284 ppmv.


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While these measurements give much less precise estimates of carbon dioxide concentration than ice cores, there is evidence for very high CO2 volume concentrations between 200 and 150 Ma of over 3,000 ppm and between 600 and 400 Ma of over 6,000 ppm.[19] On long timescales, atmospheric CO2 content is determined by the balance among geochemical processes including organic carbon burial in sediments, silicate rock weathering, and vulcanism. The net effect of slight imbalances in the carbon cycle over tens to hundreds of millions of years has been to reduce atmospheric CO2. The rates of these processes are extremely slow; hence they are of limited relevance to the atmospheric CO2 response to emissions over the next hundred years. In more recent times, atmospheric CO2 concentration continued to fall after about 60 Ma. About 34 Ma, when the ice sheets of Antarctica started to take their current form near the Eocene-Oligocene extinction event, CO2 has been found to be about 760 ppm,



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This is a misunderstanding of the realities of what we are facing of an almost unspeakable magnitude. We *are* killing the earth. A 3 degree change in average global temperatures would have disastrous results for our society, economy, and our life. It wouldn't be just a small adjustment. It wouldn't be just a nip here and a tuck there.

Not killing the earth... maybe self destructive for humanity as we currently exist, but not destroying the earth, or turning it into a barren rock like some have suggested.


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Hmmm... based on the last few posts, I thought this was the "Getting Cold" thread that was ongoing... talk about jumping threads.


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Monte wrote:
Had we not started doing these things, our CO2 levels would have remained pretty stable. We would not be verging on disaster, like we are now.


Such a statement, especially coming from you, is the height of arrogance, ignorance and outright fabrication. I'm not saying such a scenario is impossible. But you've have yet to dessimate anything that resembles substantiating your bold claim.

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This is a misunderstanding of the realities of what we are facing of an almost unspeakable magnitude. We *are* killing the earth. A 3 degree change in average global temperatures would have disastrous results for our society, economy, and our life. It wouldn't be just a small adjustment. It wouldn't be just a nip here and a tuck there.


A 3 degree change? Really? On the basis of reverse statistical analysis, what sort of standard deviation from 3 degree (increase or decrease, you haven't even posited) would accompany the 3 degree change to have "disastrous result"? What are the exact modes and mechanisms would be put into motion that would be of significant change in regards to global weather and the adjustments humans would have to make? Can you even begin to quantify any of this, even in a macroscopic perspective? If not, you are just making wild, fiat claims. The physical world operates based on the behavior of very small particles producing an aggregate effect - not the other way around. Making wild claims about global climate makes you look foolish.

It's like a little kid with with his UNO cards who wandered into the WSOP classic. The Saran Wrap Hat is becoming stifling ... suffocating, actually.

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