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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:47 am 
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So we (I) don't have to create new threads every time this socialistic parasite does something horrible or wacky. Today's is wacky time with our Favorite nut.

http://www.thefoxnation.com/haiti-earth ... aiti-quake

Secret US weapons testing caused the Haiti quake..next on the weekly world news.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:22 am 
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So we detonated a 50 megaton nuclear weapon secretly? That's pretty slick of us. :roll:

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The original U.S. estimate of the yield was 57 Mt, but since 1991 all Russian sources have stated its yield as 50 Mt. Khrushchev warned in a filmed speech to the Communist parliament of the existence of a 100 Mt bomb (technically the design was capable of this yield). The fireball touched the ground, reached nearly as high as the altitude of the release plane, and was seen and felt almost 1,000 kilometres (620 mi) from ground zero. The heat from the explosion could have caused third degree burns 100 km (62 miles) away from ground zero. The subsequent mushroom cloud was about 64 kilometres (40 mi) high (seven times the height of Mount Everest) and 40 kilometres (25 mi) wide. The explosion could be seen and felt in Finland, breaking windows there and in Sweden. Atmospheric focusing caused blast damage up to 1,000 kilometres (620 mi) away. The seismic shock created by the detonation was measurable even on its third passage around the Earth.[6] Its seismic body wave magnitude was about 5 to 5.25.[7] The energy yield was around 7.1 on the Richter scale[citation needed], but since the bomb was detonated in air rather than underground, most of the energy was not converted to seismic waves.

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Dang... we're just that good.

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Several nations have nutrino detectors that would pick up something like that. They were originally created to check for attempts to circumvent the Test Ban by detonating weapons behind the moon. Incidently they discovered the neutrino flash proceeding supernovae, and now are used in astrophysical research.


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Which makes one wonder how you would get the device behind the moon unnoticed in the first place, or obtain useful telemetry with the moon in the way. If the moon obscures the test from overyone else, it obscures it from you too.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:57 am 
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Diamondeye wrote:
Which makes one wonder how you would get the device behind the moon unnoticed in the first place, or obtain useful telemetry with the moon in the way. If the moon obscures the test from overyone else, it obscures it from you too.

Actually, it makes perfect sense to me.


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With clever design, you could use the delivery system as a remote monitor. Last stage goes into lunar orbit long enough to record data and send it home, then falls to the lunar surface.

Alternatively, have a manned mission with a very well shielded return vehicle and thoroughly stocked lab transport the bomb and record the data.

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Micheal wrote:
With clever design, you could use the delivery system as a remote monitor. Last stage goes into lunar orbit long enough to record data and send it home, then falls to the lunar surface.

Alternatively, have a manned mission with a very well shielded return vehicle and thoroughly stocked lab transport the bomb and record the data.


In both cases you still have to conceal the launch of the vehicle in the first place. In order to get to the moon, you need a really large booster, like a Saturn V. After the U.S. moon program and Skylab ended no one has been building any like that, so any mission that went to the moon would receive a ton of scrutiny as a matter of course.

The idea that someone would seriously consider setting off nukes behind the moon to avoid the test ban treaty strikes me as wildly impractical.

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Guys, call me crazy ... but I'm going with Hugo on this one.

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It's refreshing that a socialist dictator has no idea how nuclear weapons work.

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Well, maybe he thinks it's something other than a nuke.. like that satellite in Under Siege II... of course, this hardly says anything favorable about his grasp of reality.

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Perhaps he was just reading Tesla's biography. That could give you some really bizarre notions of the kind of weaponry the United States actually possesses.

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Corolinth wrote:
It's refreshing that a socialist dictator has no idea how nuclear weapons work.


This.

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Well... to be fair...
the era that this fear existed we didn't have the kind of local-space monitoring we do now.

And feasably one could launch a two-part vehicle (not dissimilar to the LEM/CM) and one would detach and detonate and then transmit results later, or be retrieved when the craft landed. Of course EMP might be an issue.


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