The Glade 4.0

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Discuss.

I have bought more music since I got my iPod then in the 10 years prior. I used to pirate it, but I don't mind paying for stuff I like.

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Holy shitsnacks!

If the music industry wasn't full of draconian assholes, I'd buy music again.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

Somehow I don't think the fact that I've purchased 2 vehicles recently would make me feel better about stealing one.

Theft is theft. Whatever legal activities you engage in doesn't mitigate that fact.

And IP-Piracy is not theft.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I borrowed a book from my fiance the other night and read it. I'm a thief?

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

What's that got to do with anything? Borrowing is taking something with permission.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

No, because it's still her book and you're going to give it back to her when she wants to read it. You haven't created more book, and you and she can't read it simultaneously.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

I guess I don't see much difference between sharing music files and sharing a book. The two of us can happily read simultaneously, if we get real close to one another. I have this file, which is mine. I share it with you. The terms of that sharing are our business. Maybe I don't care if you ever return it to me, or make a copy of it. But that's not the government's business.

Should I pay the band if someone plays a CD in my presence when I'm in the car?

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

He enjoyed the intellectual property of the author without paying them for it. It's most certainly IP-piracy, there is no difference between this and downloading music.

IP-piracy laws are ridiculous in the extreme. The current status quo is basically that piracy is OK, as long as it's not too easy. You can go into Borders and read a book there without paying and nobody will care. You can record music off the radio and it's fine. But as soon as it becomes "on-demand" it's suddenly wrong. Also, the money-grubbing of IP holders is disgusting, please tell me how it is morally wrong to download HBO series off the Internet if I pay for HBO. I know the IP holder would prefer me to pay them yet more money to buy the boxed set, but it's absolutely ridiculous.

The only thing keeping things remotely fair is enforcement capability hasn't caught up with the actual laws. When they find a DRM that works, be prepared to get anally violated by these companies. Remember you don't buy the IP, you buy a license to enjoy the IP. Be prepared to pay a monthly fee for every song you have to keep listening to it, and pay an additional "device fee" for every different listening device you want to store it on. Cable companies already do that, you have to pay $5/month extra for every TV in your house.

I don't see how it's "ridiculous" for them to want to to buy the boxed set any more than it's ridiculous for you to want to download it. They want you to spend; you don't want to. Calling it ridiculous is just basically saying your desire not to pay is inherently more meritorious than their desire to get paid.

The book analogy doesn't work well either. If you borrow the book and return it, you can't then read it again. If someone gives you the book, they can't read it again.

The analogy also doesn't work well because while many books get read only once, music gets listened to over and over. No one thinks its piracy for you to listen to someone else's CD when you borrow it or are at their house because when you borrow it, they can't listen to it while you do, and when at their house, you're only listening to it while you're there. If you make a copy of it, you can listen to it over and over again.

That said, I think the hoopla over free sharing of digital media, etc. is rather silly, and reflects an unrealistic viewpoint by the manufacturers. Just because someone will use a free copy doesn't mean they would have bought the same thing. Stealing means depriving someone of something of value; if you copy something you would have done without in the first place you're not stealing in the moral sense because they would never have had that income in the first place, and the law should reflect that.

On the other hand, if you're selling copies of various media and don't have permission, that's a problem. Now you are depriving the manufacturer of money. Sure, some of those people wouldn't be willing to pay the full price, but that doesn't change the fact that others would, and you're not entitled to profit from someone else's work regardless.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

While I don't disagree with you, I find it interesting that you take this stance as a music artist. I'm sure as a performer you like to get paid every now and then. If you had a record deal, would it bother you if people copied your music instead of bying a CD?

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

I used to do this; if I downloaded a song and liked it.. I would buy the album. I feel it is kind of silly to pay 19.99 at a record store for an album only to find that the music is crap.

You want people to buy your music; stop making shitty music.

Some of these bands would not be what they are today had it not been for bootlegging. And some bands understand this, others bands do not.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

I'd suggest stop buying albums at records stores for $20. That's insane. iTunes has albums for $10, and physical CDs generally go for $12-14.

Best Buy has them ranging from price between $9.99 to $19.99 depending on the CD.

As such I have often waited to buy the stuff on iTunes... if it is something available in the US that is.

There is at least one band; the only ways to get their music in the states is to special order it.. or pirate it.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

The vast majority of music artists support groups like the EFF and oppose the RIAA. Casual piracy is overall good for music sales, and good for artists trying to make money or hit the big time. The fight against piracy is about control, not money.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
█ ♣ █

There is a store near my work called The Beat. I go there and buy used CDs for around $8. Some of the used CDs have basically been brand new. According to one of the clerks I've talked to, someone buys a new CD, goes home and rips it to whatever they like, then brings it back to the store and gets some cash back. The original purchaser has their copy, and I now have the physical CD.

I've begun to wonder if this can be considered piracy and if I am implicitly supporting piracy by buying these effectively brand new CDs for a cut rate due to the original packaging having been opened and the tunes being ripped to the computer et al.

Is the store supporting piracy in this way?

I understand that my physical possession of the legally purchased CD clears me of any charge of piracy.

I don't worry about it, just curious.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

It really depend on how far you want to take the "what ifs" Micheal.

Legally?
Everything you've described is within the bounds of the law (if I recall that course correctly). The original purchaser can legally make a back-up for their own purposes, and they can sell their original copy.
The store (assuming they've followed the bureaucratic codes) is within their right to sell used (original) copies; I'm sure ASCAP et al get their piece of the pie.

If you want to take into consideration what the ripper does with his ripped music, in your pondering of supporting piracy, that's a bridge too far, in my opinion, for realistic ethical considerations.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Therein lies the difference. A performing artist would want as many people as possible to come see him perform, and thus the greater numbers he can reach with his music, the more potential customers he has. A recording artist is different, and was really only enabled by a technological advance. When another technological advance comes along that impacts the beneficiaries of a previous technological advance, those type of people get miffed.

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Good point. I wonder what internet discussion would have been like if it had existed when dual deck tape recorders became commonly available?

I'm sure people would have been stamping their foot and talking about how evil thieves are going to kill the music industry then too.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Downloading music without paying for it is theft. Sharing a book or a CD is not theft. Paying for a download and letting others listen to it is not theft. Copying a CD to give to another is theft. Photocopying a book to give to another is theft.

If you download music without permission or without paying, you are a theif.

How about recording a song off the radio?
How about ripping a song from a streaming source?

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Holy shitsnacks!

Where are you going with this? Do you want me to list all the possible ways you can be a theif? Generally, you know whether or not you're stealing. Lots of people try to justify it by saying things like "it's the same as sharing a book" or "those fat-cats are just greedy" or whatever, but they know they're thieves.

I haven't bought a music CD in over 5 years. I don't see that ever changing in the future.

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The Dude abides.

Ooh, I got another one:
Making someone a mix tape?

Downloading music isn't stealing.

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Holy shitsnacks!