The Glade 4.0

States seeking to ban mandatory health insurance AP

Kind of a bare bones story but I could see this gaining momentum with the grassroots types.

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"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one." Charles Mackay

Yup. Some folks have enough foresight to try to head off trouble before it gets to them. Of course, I really think the Constitutional challenges to such a mandate will prove successful, but why take the chance?

I certainly oppose a mandate if no public option exists.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Serious question: Pelosi and Reid are the two most vocal/visible opponents of portability in insurance. Do you know why, Monte? (Or have any reasonable guesses?) I'm asking, because, honestly ... (pretty much) every analyst in the country thinks real portability would go further toward driving consumer end-costs down than anything else.

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From what I understand, the principle of limiting portability isn't so much an issue once you make sure that insurance companies are required to obey state minimums when they offer insurance across the border. My guess is that it also has to do with industry lobbying.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

The cyncial response, even though I'm not Monte, is because having portability destroys the argument for a government run plan, or at least one of the major planks that would appeal to those with job based (and currently locked) insurance.

The more cynical reason is that insurance companies are a source of contributions to her campaign (shes in the top 20 of House recipients of Insurance industry funds), and they realize that portable plans hurt them.

Lil' a column A, lil' a column B.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

I know they aren't Tea Party conservatives, so they can't possibly have anything else in mind besides cynical selfish goals, but making sure that insurance companies aren't able to avoid state regulations on minimum coverage is column c.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Ok.

1) I guessed I missed where DFK! has ever said he supports the Tea Party movement.

2) Disregarding 1), so you think he accuses anyone who doesn't adhere to his narrow political views of having nothing but cynical and selfish goals. And this bothers you. This bothers you. Really? That's....interesting.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

Yes, of course it does. Don't make the mistake of me thinking the same thing about conservatives. I know plenty of fair minded, decent conservatives. Conservatism has never been my issue. The brand of conservatism most commonly exhibited on this board is another issue entirely.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Except that, within the bounds of the Constitution, legislators can write the law however they want, and your point is thereby moot and irrelevant.

Posturing themselves as "standing up" to insurance companies is, furthermore, dependent upon the presumption that "the people" are retarded, considering how much money these people get from the health insurance industry as a whole AND how much support their reform efforts to date have received from said industry.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Ones that substantially agree with you, you mean right?

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Holy shitsnacks!

Montegue:

This is no brand of conservatism common to these forums. Political and social views here are as disparate as they can get. At this point, I can only assume conservative means any political disagreement with you.

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No, ones that substantially disagree with me, all the time. They are still fair minded people.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Oh, I think you definitely stand apart from the crowd. but most folks here fall within the Fox News "good conservative" range.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

You're intentionally being an ignorant bigot now.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Whoa, the mind-reading is catching...

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

No, I'm stating what is a pretty accurate observation. There is a variety of conservative opinion on the board, but most of it fits in a pretty decent range of strong right to hard right. Most of the conservatives I have observed on the board would be in swell company at a Glenn Beck luncheon. Many would be in good company at a Tea Party protest. At least one of them is all about just shooting people they disagree with.

The fair minded conservatives I know have never once said liberalism is tantamount to treason, or that it's communism. We have never used words like communist or fascist to describe one another, because we have respect for our differing viewpoints. This is not the case here. There is absolutely no respect for anyone left of center from the conservatives on this board, and there really never has been. And before you mention RD, you guys are perfectly willing to tear his throat out when there are no other leftist targets to hunt. I've seen it for the last 8 years.

You don't find that much here. Perhaps that's just the way it is online. Perhaps people online are more willing to be nasty because they don't have to deal with each other on a daily basis. Perhaps they use a forum like this to test their boundaries when it comes to their behavior. Makes sense.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Communism and fascism are disprovable or provable statements of fact. Having "respect" for other people has nothing to do with the usage of those terms.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

*nggh* *ghh* *gurgle* ...

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Nah, RD's at least coherent, and makes salient points sometimes.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Not in the way they have been tossed about here. Supporting a strong public health insurance option does not make one a communist. Nor does it even make one a socialist in the vein that such pejoratives are tossed around here. Things get better, then they get worse. It sort of depends on the political mood at the time. Immediately after the election, this place was a minefield for anyone who supported Obama. it's got better at times, but mostly worse. The conspiracy theories about Obama's birth place and his religion (or his wife,ffs) that get tossed around here alone are enough to sully any claims we have to rational discourse.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

I make them all the time. The hate just gets in the way of hearing them.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

No, it simply makes you embracing both a facet of communism and the udnerlying presumptions that lead to establishing total revocation of private property rights protections.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

That's a Freudian slip if I've ever seen one.

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