The Glade 4.0

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp ... 7#35147797

Well done, Mr. President.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Summary? I'm not watching 66 minutes of msnbc. I don't care that much, and even if I did, there are better things I could spend my time doing.

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Yeah, man - gotta post some text.

Evidently Obama said something Monty agrees with on TV. Why this is threadworthy is a mystery.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

It's actually an interesting hour.

Obama went before the congressional republicans and took their questions. He walked up one side of them and down the other, very clearly and carefully dissecting their talking points while appealing for an actual bipartisanship instead of the current toxic one we have now. He corrected a number of outright falsehoods. He never let them slip one past.

Not only that, but he did so while comporting himself courteously and professionally. He kept things on the level, and he didn't back down when he felt they were playing fast and loose with the facts.

In the end, he spend over an hour (the link only goes to the Q&A, his speech was also excellent) turning the GOP on it's ear in the name of a more successful government overall. It was a clear display of why so many people voted for him in the first place.

The Republicans, to their credit, were mostly cordial and respectful. Some, very much so. A couple of them were rude and big liarfaces, but he dealt with them on the high road without letting it devolve into a slug fest.

It was, in the end, very presidential. Leadership like this is something we haven't seen in a long time. The GOP is scrambling right now to tamp down the damage. They basically got schooled for over an hour on national television. Frankly, I think they are making the wrong move. The right move would be to appear as adult as the President and not try to twist this into some kind of sneak attack. Sadly, the O'Reily's of the world are already doing so. I'm sure that Rush is going to have kittens tomorrow.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

You know me as fairly liberal, but to call Obama's leadership "inspired" is absurd. While you could put a lot of this at the feet of the Democratic Congress, the fact is the President takes the rap for what happens during his term. The fact is Bush's TARP has turned out to cost nothing, while when you consider the deficit, Obama has already effectively raised taxes more than every President in the 20th century combined.

This graph should be pretty informative:



Despite this, you want him to raise taxes and spending even more, as evidenced by your desire to let the Bush tax cuts expire.

Obama was elected by a greater percentage of young voters than ever before. They turned out in droves to elect him. "Inspired" leadership would have been to use that mandate to suggest slashing SS/Medicare entitlements that we can not possibly pay. Republicans could not have possibly opposed this without looking like massive hypocrites and liars.

My biggest criticism of Bush, and the whole reason I favored Democrats over Republicans, is that while Democrats were the "tax and spend" party, this was a great deal more honest than the Republican idea of, "don't tax, but spend anyway." Under Obama, Democrats have turned into, "don't tax, spend anyway" to the tenth power.

Here, you've still got some on your chin.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Indeed. Lots of good points brought up, and I thought Obama handled all the questions quite well.

Nitefox, you should save the Kleenexes for Republican tears. They need it more. I must admit to some salivating over watching what amounts to a much better political discourse than we have seen in 9 years or so, though.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Um...

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

Deeds, not words.

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So far as I can see, the main thing that is going to be interesting in the coming 10 months is how the mid-term shakes out. Will the Republicans re-gain a majority in the Senate? Will the Republicans remember why they got the major boot? What effect is the Tea party going to have? Will there be candidates that social conservatives can support on the ballot? Will we have to stay home again?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Is... is this the tagline for the end of some twistedly-politicized 1960's Batman episode?

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Not that I'm aware of, though now that you mention it, seen in that light it's pretty funny. Unfortunately it wasn't deliberately done.

both, really. Say a thing, then do a thing. Or do a thing and let it speak. Either way, words are involved.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Soon as he does anything worthwhile, I'll let you know.

Right now, its just words. Most of which so far have not been truthful.

And words that are not truthful, are lies.

He's so full of **** his skin's brown.

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I am well aware of many things he has done that are worthwhile. You don't need to be the one that informs me. You may not like them, but that doesn't make them irrelevant or not worthwhile.

I really find that last comment, despite the smiley, to be in poor taste. Just saying.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Yeah, I read your list of BS that you think is really worthwhile. In the year he's been president, with a full 60 vote filibusterproof majority in the senate and an overwhelming majority in the house... he's done nothing he said he would from his campaign.

And of course it was in bad taste. Duh... me talking here. You expected anything different?

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Lol.

You owe me a new keyboard. Joementum is such a good democrat. Except that he's not.



5 pages worth of kept promises from the campaign trail






I was sort of hoping you wouldn't imply that black people are full of ****, yes. I suppose that's too much to hope?

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

No, I'm implying that that particular person is full of ****. I didn't say anything about "black people" in general.

Ooh, 5 pages as opposed to 20+ pages of stalled, broken, or "in the works"

ANd such lol-worthy "promises" as:
No. 174: Give a speech at a major Islamic forum in the first 100 days of his administration
No. 125: Direct military leaders to end war in Iraq
No. 119: Appoint a special adviser to the president on violence against women
No. 6: Create an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to invest in peer-reviewed manufacturing processes
No. 244: Provide affordable, high-quality child care
No. 247: Recruit math and science degree graduates to the teaching profession
No. 272: Encourage farmers to use more renewable energy and be more energy efficient
No. 290: Push for enactment of Matthew Shepard Act, which expands hate crime law to include sexual orientation and other factors
No. 332: Add another Space Shuttle flight
etc.

At least he's spending his time wisely.

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You certainly made the comment about the color of his skin.



But that isn't what you said. You said he had done nothing that he said he would do in the campaign. That was demonstrably false. He has done quite a bit in his first year in office.


That's what you picked as Lol-worthy? No president has ever done it, if I am not mistaken. It was an unprecedented outreach to the Islamic world, a world that had endured 8 years of our bombs and our platitudes about terrorism and extremism.



This is lolworthy again why? A war that was absolutely needless to begin with brought to an end? We might be somewhat behind on our troop draw down, but it still proceeds. We will be out by the end of the year.


You might not think that so funny if you were a battered woman. But hey, if you find that **** funny, more power to you.

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He sure as hell is. I find all of those efforts to be more than worthy promises kept. Hell, I figured if you ***** about anything, you'd ***** about the puppy.

The ultimate point, however, is that you were dead wrong when you claimed he hadn't done anything he promised on the campaign trail, and now you are changing the goal posts from "nothing" to "a whole lot of substantive things I think don't count, so they don't count".


edit - oh yeah. pwnd.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

All of that reads like bullshit resume padding.

And fine. I should have added the word *substantive* after nothing.

Ooh. he gave a speech! Ooh. He *directed* military leaders to leave Iraq. He "created" an "Advanced Manufacturing Fund". He "Encouraged" farmers to be more efficient.

I stand by my assertion, with the caveat of adding "substantive".

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Dear Mus,

You are currently covered in Orange Jam. I know you want to believe it isn't raining, but it actually is. Just because you hate the guy doesn't mean his accomplishments in his first year of office are not substantive. The laundry list of what you ignored was literally 5 pages long. The list of things still in the works is even longer. The list of broken promises is relatively small.



And you would still be dead wrong.



And you are still wrong. There's five pages of wrong staring you in the face. Five pages of things he did, substantively, that he said he would do on the trail. Your hate for the man simply blinds you. Perhaps you should stop obsessing so much about his skin color? Or making off color jokes about it, as it were?

Lemmie tell you how this will play out, to save us some time.

I will point out something like "he passed the Lilly Letbetter law, gauranteeing equal pay for equal work for women". You will say "that's not substantive".

I will point out that he reversed the restrictions on funding for Stem Cell research. You will say "pshhht. What the hell does that mean?".

I will say that he passed the most significant economic stimulus package we have seen in a very long time, a package which most economists on the right and the left credit with helping us to avoid economic disaster. You will say "bah, that's nothing."

If he came down from the Oval office, touched his hand to the ground, and summoned a horde of beautiful naked bisexual women who all wanted to have sex with YOU, just YOU, Mus, you would say "meh, nothing substantive".

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Nope. Its all bullshit.

ALL OF IT!!! RAAR!!!

Mmmm Jam.

(and the naked women thing would indeed be substantive)

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