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Nevada lawmakers lashed out at President Barack Obama on Tuesday after he made another reference to Las Vegas while explaining how people should make tough choices on spending.
The issue is sensitive to Sin City because its economy is largely based on tourism, and several lawmakers said they were shocked that Obama singled out Las Vegas again after commenting one year ago about bailed-out banks holding meetings here.
"When times are tough, you tighten your belts," Obama said, according to a White House transcript of his appearance Tuesday at a high school in North Nashua, N.H.

"You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage," Obama said. "You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices."
The comments quickly sparked a flurry of reaction from federal, state and local lawmakers in the Silver State, which had an unemployment rate of 13 percent in December.
"I'll do everything I can to give him the boot," Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman said during a hastily called news conference, adding that he was incensed when he heard about the comments and said he would no longer welcome the president here if he visits.
"This president is a real slow learner," said Goodman, who is not affiliated with a political party.
"Enough is enough!" Democratic Congresswoman Shelley Berkley said in a statement. "President Obama needs to stop picking on Las Vegas and he needs to let Americans decide for themselves how and where to spend their hard-earned vacation dollars."
Nevada's economy has been hit hard with foreclosures, unemployment and bankruptcies during the past two years as consumers everywhere tighten leisure spending and companies spend less on meetings and conventions.
Harry Reid, Democratic Senate majority leader and one of Obama's closest allies, issued a statement headlined "Reid to Obama: 'Lay off Las Vegas'" and was unusually blunt in his reaction.
"The President needs to lay off Las Vegas and stop making it the poster child for where people shouldn't be spending their money," Reid said. "I would much rather tourists and business travelers spend their money in Las Vegas than spend it overseas."
Reid later released a letter he received from Obama in which the president said he "wasn't saying anything negative about Las Vegas."
"I was making the simple point that families use vacation dollars, not college tuition money, to have fun," Obama said, according to the letter. "There is no place better to have fun than Vegas, one of our country's great destinations."
Obama said he always enjoys his visits to Las Vegas.
A White House spokesman referred to Obama's letter to Reid and said the administration had no further comment.
Sen. John Ensign, a Republican, complained that Obama "failed to grasp the weight that his words carry."
"Once again he has threatened the struggling economy of Las Vegas," Ensign said, recalling what he characterized as Obama's "irresponsible" comment in February 2009.
Nevada Gov. Jim Gibbons and Rep. Dean Heller, both Republicans, and Democratic Rep. Dina Titus also disparaged the president's remarks, while Republican candidates hoping to unseat Reid this year called for an apology.
One year ago, Obama commented during a town hall meeting in Elkhart, Ind., that corporations shouldn't use federal bailout money for trips to Las Vegas, the Super Bowl or corporate jets. Tourism and casino officials said the comment hurt the city as companies canceled meetings in Las Vegas and rescheduled them elsewhere.
Obama later said during a May 2009 trip to Nellis Air Force Base outside of Las Vegas that it was nice to get out of Washington and "there's nothing like a quick trip to Vegas in the middle of the week."
Goodman said he thought Obama had a "psychological hang-up" of using Las Vegas as an example of excessive spending, and that this time, an apology wouldn't be enough.
"He has to step up right away and say, you know, he wasn't thinking," Goodman said. "Sometimes when he's not using his monitors and reading what he says, he doesn't think. And this is one of those times he didn't think, and he should straighten out the record because he's been here, he knows Las Vegas is a great place."
Associated Press writers Kevin Freking in Washington, Ken Ritter in Las Vegas and Sandra Chereb in Carson City contributed to this report.


The guy did not learn from his comments last year? He really needs to just learn to shut the **** up until his teleprompter gives him something intelligent to say.

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Teleprompters are not intelligent! Neither are Obama's speech writers, it seems! I will spend my dollars where ever I wish...and I will be spending a few in Las Vegas, the end of March!! :D

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Yeah it's a boneheaded remark, but I think your response is just a bit over the top there.

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This was reported as flame baiting. I don't think it is since I doubt the intent is to incite people, it seems to just be the OP's opinion. Granted I'm guessing the intention and it's quite uh, blunt, but none the less I'm not going to warn on this one.

It is worth noting though that I imagine a post like this by someone else about say President Bush or Ron Paul would be met with much gnashing of teeth. I acknowledge that, but I'm still not clear if it's the message or messenger that sets people off here.

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The point of the speech is valid, and his clarification to the meaning was spot on.

It seems to me that there is a lot of over reaction. I don't see the boat companies getting all bent out of shape over the comment, because the meaning is good advice.


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I understand what was implied here by President Obama, and if I lived in Las Vegas, I wouldn't take offense to it. It wouldn't be offensive to me if he'd said stop taking trips to sunny Florida. It was basically intended as warning people to watch how they spend any discretionary monies when there other potentially more important and pressing things to worry about.
Vacations are nice , but not trully necessary. Lots of people had said when the recession started that lavish vacations were out, and that they would be doing scaled down versions, mostly closer to home stuff.
If peope want to go to Vegas they will, whether or not President Obama used them as an example.


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Now, if the response had been more akin to bashing the President for advocating sage advice to tax payers while his party does the exact opposite... I could get behind that one.


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Dash wrote:
This was reported as flame baiting. I don't think it is since I doubt the intent is to incite people, it seems to just be the OP's opinion. Granted I'm guessing the intention and it's quite uh, blunt, but none the less I'm not going to warn on this one.


Really? Devolving into namecalling IN THE SUBJECT is not flame baiting?


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Is the subject of the name-calling a board member or directly link to any board members?

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TheRiov wrote:

Really? Devolving into namecalling IN THE SUBJECT is not flame baiting?


Really. You believe he is calling Obama names in order to piss members of the Glade off?

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Dash wrote:
This was reported as flame baiting. I don't think it is since I doubt the intent is to incite people, it seems to just be the OP's opinion. Granted I'm guessing the intention and it's quite uh, blunt, but none the less I'm not going to warn on this one.



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There is a subtle difference between "flame-baiting" and "trolling." One is a direct attempt to get people to attack you. The other is simply an inflammatory post designed to provoke an emotional response. We haven't directly condemned either, although "flame-baiting" could be considered encouraging others to break the rules, which you have to think will be frowned upon. Trolling, however, is explicitly not policed by the moderators.

And, as has been pointed out, Barak Obama does not post here, so he is not protected from outright flaming.


That said, my complaint about the thread title would be one of clarity. "Stupid Prick" would conjure up thoughts of Dubya before Obama. :)

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The city that has cultivated and encouraged the image of "Sin City" and "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" is just reaping what they sowed.

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Teleprompters are not intelligent! Neither are Obama's speech writers, it seems! I will spend my dollars where ever I wish...and I will be spending a few in Las Vegas, the end of March!! :D


Kewl. My Wife and I will be there the end of March as well, and I fully plan to spend my hard saved college tuition.

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I'm just curious why all the hate for Las Vegas when Atlantic City is right next door to him.

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I'm just curious why all the hate for Las Vegas when Atlantic City is right next door to him.


Atlantic City doesn't conjure the same mental image that Vegas does.


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Las Vegas has carefully and intentionally cultivated for itself an image of wastefulness, of decadence and good times and fleeting, forgettable fun. It's a brand name now, and as such functions as shorthand in the example.

Imagine if he'd said "If you've got one dollar and no gas in your car to get home, you don't go spend that dollar on a Coke." Is he telling people not to purchase Coca-Colas, advocating Pepsi, or attacking the soda industry in general? Of course not; such a reading of that statement is ridiculous.

Las Vegas apparently has idiots running it.


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The city that has cultivated and encouraged the image of "Sin City" and "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" is just reaping what they sowed.

Cry me a river...


Yeah. Cause that's helpful.

This city is based on tourism and conventions and visitor revenue. There's a problem when the President tells people to not come here. Thousands of people are out of work because of reduced travel. So we're having problems already because of the economy and this douchebag says Don't go to Vegas *again*.

This isn't the first time he's done it either.

Remind me again why we elected this shitstain?

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Aizle wrote:
The city that has cultivated and encouraged the image of "Sin City" and "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" is just reaping what they sowed.

Cry me a river...


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The city that has cultivated and encouraged the image of "Sin City" and "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" is just reaping what they sowed.

Cry me a river...


Amen.


Except we have real people living and working here. People that have families and obligations. People that have been hit anyway by the economic downturn, and now the President says *again* for people to not come here. Its irresponsible language at best.

Nevada has the second highest unemployment rate in the US @ 13%. Tourism is affected by more than just people coming here to "sin". Conventions, (CES, World of Concrete, MAGIC, and many others) bring millions of dollars into our city. All of this has been hurt by the recession.

For Obama to say again, "Don't go to Vegas", its just kicking us while we're down.

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If Vegas can stand on its own merits, it doesn't really matter what that dipshit in the White House says.

As it is, most of what he says, like any other President, ranges from a twist of the truth to boldface lies.

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If Vegas can stand on its own merits, it doesn't really matter what that dipshit in the White House says.

As it is, most of what he says, like any other President, ranges from a twist of the truth to boldface lies.


I know that, and you know that.

Its just irresponsible behavior.

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I've never considered whatever ******* is in the White House sitting on his Golden Throne of Benevolence and Righteous Indignition to be particularly responsible.

Not that some members of Congress *coughpelosicough* aren't even worse.

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Aizle wrote:
The city that has cultivated and encouraged the image of "Sin City" and "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" is just reaping what they sowed.

Cry me a river...


Amen.


Except we have real people living and working here. People that have families and obligations. People that have been hit anyway by the economic downturn, and now the President says *again* for people to not come here. Its irresponsible language at best.

Nevada has the second highest unemployment rate in the US @ 13%. Tourism is affected by more than just people coming here to "sin". Conventions, (CES, World of Concrete, MAGIC, and many others) bring millions of dollars into our city. All of this has been hurt by the recession.

For Obama to say again, "Don't go to Vegas", its just kicking us while we're down.


I have a response for that, but I can't word it properly...thats why I generally stay out of here. By the time I have something worded the way I want it, everyone has moved onto the next topic.
Anyway, I understand that there are real people and families there...but that doesn't change the idea that spending money in a casino is not a good idea when you are struggling financially. I mean, (I'm sure I'm about to create some sort of fallacy here) I'm sure there are tobacco farmers who have real lives and kids and stuff too but that doesn't mean we shouldn't tell people not to buy tobacco.
As far as there being other things in Las Vegas to spend money on, well, I'm sure you are correct but in my mind (without having been there) I would see the temptation as too much. I mean, who would go to Vegas and NOT go to a casino or brothel or some other frivolous thing?
I dunno. Did any of that come out right?

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How about this LK:

The President's indictment of irresponsible spending is generally wise. However, by refering to it as "blow[ing] a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college", he effectively reduced what is also a central meeting place of commerce and business, and home to many upstanding Americans, to nothing more than an irresponsible haven that is to be loathed and chastised.

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How about this LK:

The President's indictment of irresponsible spending is generally wise. However, by refering to it as "blow[ing] a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college", he effectively reduced what is also a central meeting place of commerce and business, and home to many upstanding Americans, to nothing more than an irresponsible haven that is to be loathed and chastised.


Sure, except the fact that WHY Vegas has developed into a central meeting place for companies is because of the prestige of holding the meeting in vegas for the after hours entertainment it provides. Not saying that it's a bad decision necessarily, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.


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