The Glade 4.0

Even the existance of this thread itself, created by Bery is a very low class gloating and in and of itself flame bait.

*sigh* It just occurred to me that I'm coming close to arguing with moderators over moderation decisions. I'm not sure I like how this community is being run right now. I read the examples, and I think there was nothing in there that warrented a banning, but you know, I'm a social liberties liberal and all. I don't agree with censoring thoughts and ideas and no matter how ridiculous they are and I believe we must tollerate the people who's speech is abhorrant to us.

The worst thing I see in the moderation comments are that Monte did accuse two individuals of "hateful ignorance" --of course a number of people have accused him of his own brand of ignorance (or the similar crimes of willful disrespect for facts, etc etc) true or untrue, they remain personal attacks of the same level. The number of people who accuse him of a victem complex (raise your hand if you're a trained therapist qualified to make that diagnosis otherwise, you're making a personal attack)

IMO, you have a very strange definition of gloating. I post a thread that is the antithesis of what I believe, linking an article that people like Montegue and yourself should be happy about, and you say I am gloating and low class?

Oh, well.

*edit* Not this thread, I know. But I posted *this* thread about the time the real trouble began, (before there was any indication Montegue was gonna get the banstick), and I posted a thread about the AFA, which demonstrated that the fears of those who think Christianity is taking over the military is unfounded. I guess that's low class.

He's talking about this thread, which could be taken as a thanks to the mods for removing Monty, not your other thread which was the last straw for Monty.

Not saying that is my opinion, just stating how it could be interpreted.

So, TheRiov, you would instead ban almost the entirety of the rest of the Glade? Surely you do not believe Montegue is somehow actually the victim and everyone else in the big bad glade community, of all political persuasions, were all out to get him?

In any moderated community, Montegue will get banned, until he learns to not antagonize people whom he disagrees with at every possible opportunity.

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Read my edit, please.

No, of course not. I am suggesting that those who dish out the punishment need to be able to take it. If people are going to bash monte publicly they cannot turn around and report him. You get held to the standard you hold others to.
By the same token Monte cannot really be reporting others for the same sins he commits.

Riov, your view is tainted by the same thing Monte's is: that this board is somehow a polarized Monte vs. Board situation. Everyone else is able to disagree, and while perhaps not aimably, discuss things without becoming hostile to the point we've seen in the past few days.

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TheRiov:

First, I'd point out that you are attributing an intent to Beryllin you can neither confirm nor substantiate without psychic powers or an advanced degree in psychology. This would be the same behavior you accuse others of in this very thread. Secondly, statements of fact, as demonstrated by past behavior archived here and present on various incarnations of this forum, rarely constitute personal attacks. Certain posters take offense at statements or phrases that other posters cannot anticipate. That someone takes offense at a statement or phrase does not necessarily mean said statement or phrase is offensive. Rather, one must again ascribe intent to the poster that may or may not be present.

Second, I would point out that your stated position on civil liberties is incongruous with your position in this thread. The freedom to state ideas, in any manner one may choose, includes the possibility and, indeed, inevitability that someone will use a linguistic construct or morpheme you find offensive.

Third, Montegue was not censured for the content of his speech; he was censured for his posting behavior. Consequently, to suggest otherwise is to state you know what the moderator's were thinking more than they do.

Fourth, none of the reports about Montegue's behavior came from the participants in those threads. Once again, you are assuming knowledge and intent wherein there is no evidence or fact to substantiate your claim.

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Really Khross? I cannot discern a writers intent without psychic ability or a degree in psychology? Amazing. And to think all those books we've read ... we just dont understand because we don't have those specific qualifications!
Give me a break. A writer's job is to convey intent. A readers job is to interpret the writers intent. If Beryllin comes across as gloating (as I'm not the only person who saw it that way) then indeed the failure may be with the writer...

Its not incongrous to suggest that people be held to the standard they hold others to.

Actually I read through the moderator's interpretation of the various reports and disagree with the offensiveness of the various post, and furthermore I see the moderators occasionally committing the same offenses being reported. (at least one moderator used the term "Victim complex" to describe Monte)

You sure about that Khross?

There is an entire school of thought that holds that opinion.

I agree.

For the most part, they could. Monte could not. For every attack on Montegue, he made 10 that were far worse on everyone else. For every frivolous report against montegue, he made 10 frivolous reports against everyone else.

He brought it all upon himself. Honestly, if you cannot see that he is both the instigator and the one who kept it going, you're not really reading what's been happening with an unbiased eye.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Ah, but how can you be sure? Perhaps the people to whom you're attributing that opinion never intended to convey such an impression.

I'd like to add that even if true, and this board is somehow a "polarized Monte vs. Board situation," the Board will win.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I disagree. If the writer's job is to convey intent, then the writer should say "My intent is X". The writer's job is to just say whatever the writer wants, in a way that appeals to the writer. A reader's job is to appreciate, learn something, or be entertained by the writing.

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Or it may be that the failure of the reader to apply some common sense is what carries the blame. Look at the time stamp: I started this thread at 12:34 pm, and the post announcing Montegue's ban is time stamped 1:30. In order for me to be gloating about Montegue getting banned, I would have had to know an hour in advance that it was going to occur.

An apology would be nice, but I'm not expecting one.

We know you have a line to the Big Man upstairs.

He told you.

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Holy shitsnacks!

And that really seals the deal.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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No, it really doesn't seal the deal because the initial post noting the large number of reports came in time stamped at Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:20 am.

It cannot be gloating over Monte being banned when Monte was not yet banned. In fact, Montegue wasn't banned until he started arguing with moderation.

At worst it's ass-kissing to the mods for taking action over the most recent batch of vitriolic ***** cluttering this forum. However, I am still hesitant to believe Beryllin would ever willingly kiss my immoral heathen ***.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Isn't it kind of unfair to be talking about someone who is not here to defend themselves?

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The discussion is not about Montegue, LK. The discussion is the punitive action taken against him.

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Yup, but since when has anything in Hellfire been about fairness?

Ahhh. So sarcasm is useless. got it. You're absoutely right Imperi. My intent with this post it to convince you that you are a diety. I intend to worship you with my words because you said it is so, it must be so.

Obviously a writer can be far more subtle than just saying "X" -- its an art form, far beyond the simple (and over the top) example just gave. A writer can convey intent with symbolism, word choice, parallels, and any of 1000 other tools rather than the very dry and blunt "THIS MEANS X" statement.

And? That is supposed to mean I knew Montegue was gonna get banned? The fact that the mods were dealing with all the reports is what prompted this thread.

At least I knew better than to expect an apology.

You are free to not post or read in this forum, if that is how you feel.

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