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There is a difference between "blowing a bunch of cash" and holding a meeting.

Ya think? That's isn't contrary to what I was posting.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

I understand the "Don't vacation and spend money you can't afford" part. Unfortunately people take that to mean Vegas is bad overall. There's more than just gambling and whores here. Hell, whores are illegal inside Clark County. We have shows like Blue Man, Cirque, and Celine Dion, all family entertainment. Hiking in Red Rock and Mt. Charleston, the largest man made lake in the world etc. Its not all just gambling, booze and whores.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Obviously. But gambling, booze and whores (not necessarily in that order) are the best parts.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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This wouldn't have happened if the Mob was still running Vegas.

Kennedy pissed off the mob... :p

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By "nothing more than an irresponsible haven that is to be loathed and chastised," you mean "the image that Vegas has worked long and hard to carefully create for itself?"

Aren't there plenty of other places in the states that offer just as much wholesome entertainment and scenery without the huge reputation for "gambling, booze, and whores?"

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Do you think all the businesses and people there back that sentiment? Do all people from Alabama want to **** their sister/mother/cousin? Because one would argue the residents of that state worked long and hard to cultivate that image. I wouldn't say it's going out on a limb to both equally stereotypically misinformed.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

You know, I don't think so. Cheap hotel rooms, dirt cheap airfare, in addition to everything else that Vegas has to offer... You really can't get that anywhere else. You could go somewhere like Disneyland/Anaheim or Disneyworld/Orlando, but I don't really believe there's anywhere as focused on making sure visitors have a good time. Lots of people come here and don't partake of the gambling or booze.

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Booze is clearly superior to either of the others.

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I'm sure there are many fine, upstanding businesses who don't agree with that. However,

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If Alabama's government had produced an ad such as that advertising that it's a good place to come for incest ("The Game the Whole Family Can Play!"), then your argument would be valid. As it stands, Las Vegas has cultivated for itself an image synonymous with wasteful spending. That is how they sell Vegas. That's the association they want to make in minds. You don't work your *** off to be associated with that and then get pissed off when someone uses it that way.

Define "Wasteful"

Its not wasteful if you're enjoying yourself. :p

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Holy shitsnacks!

CIVIL WAR!
I'm with Farskee!

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Aizle, sorry missed your post, I'll respond:

Is there a way to substantiate Vegas developed into an entertainment capital because it was a central meeting place rather than the other way around?

Farsky:

Fair enough. However, I think we need to look at the image of Vegas specifically. It's first and foremost about entertainment. Everyone knows there are casinos there, sure. But this alleged image seems to be first and foremost about entertainment and perhaps decadence and gluttony. Obama's words specifically addressed wasting money. Vegas is actually a very economic vacation spot if you don't gamble: the hotels and restaraunts are reasonably priced, and the cost of entertainment wouldn't be any more expensive then the money I spent while in Mexico, NYC or anywhere else.

The super-rich of course will gamble, but they aren't really the ones needing to curtail their budgets, either.

Also, more to the point, Obama's message about spending is highly ironic, given a) his administration and Congress's attitude that consumerism somehow drives the economy (maybe they aren't as ignorant as they act?) and b) since consumers are curtailing spending, the federal government is picking up the slack by expanding the budget.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Transferring money around for entertainment services or consuming alcohol isn't wasteful. Wasteful is destroying valuable resources, like a spilled oil tanker or such.

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"The map is not the territory."

Wasteful is subjective, it ties to the term consumerism. Humans can live without entertainment. Those resources could be more expediantly used towards things we cannot live without.

However, humans function more productively when they are happy. Thus entertainment becomes a factor. It's largely subjective.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Really? You guys are arguing against the very real public belief that Vegas is best for gambling and infidelity. How many movies support that belief? Does the mayor get pissed and call for boycotts?

This whole argument is stupid and I feel like less of a person for even replying.

Humans can live without everything except food and water, and maybe warm clothing. It's besides the point. Humans don't function more productively when they are "happy", which is a subjective and usually fleeting experience. That is simply false.

If you throw a $20 dollar bill in the toilet and flush it, from your point of view you are wasting money (if you are sane). From society's point of view, nothing was wasted. This is analogous to gambling in Vegas, where money is just transferred around. However, Vegas is more entertaining, obviously.

If you leave your lights on all day, then you are wasting resources in both your and society's points of view. This is actual waste. The labor of producing that electricity was wasted.

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Woot! Me too!

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Except it's not. Humans don't need electricity, you aren't wasting anything by leaving your lights on, anymore than you are when utilizing your personal resources (capital reserves) to purchase alcohol.

You are demonstrating a large lack of understanding of how resource allocation and the basic principles of how markets function. "Waste" in both the physical and definitive sense is subjective - you can "waste" gas by lighting it on fire or by processing it and extracting mechanical work from it. What you do with that mechanical work may be considered a waste, for example, if you end up smashing your car, that gas turned out to be a "waste."

You idea of "actual" waste is predicated on a completely arbitrary and unsubstantial delineation.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Big words are sexy.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

I believe Imperi's statement is that in the big picture, wealth is not wasted unless it is destroyed. Most human activity...including entertainment spending...either creates additional wealth or at worst simply transfers it to someone else. This cannot hurt the economy. It may hurt individuals, but it helps somewhere else, so there is no overall economic loss.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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1) Very few other places can compete with Vegas for the rates on conventions and such.

2) Obama's last such statement had a real effect on the Vegas economy, regardless of whether anybody feels like people would take him in that way or not.

3) Therefore, making the same statement (effectively) a second time is either stupid or malicious. Either way, it is not appropriate.

4) Any other discussions about the wastefulness of LVNV are derails and red herrings.

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What happened last year?

Comments impact Las Vegas Revenues

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Perhaps then Vegas should do something about it's image?

I am amused how everyone here who is generally so gung ho about free speech and letting market forces decide everything is crying foul.