The Glade 4.0

This really sums up Hellfire--but that's how it's always been.

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In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin

Coincidentally, the only place where people are giant assholes.

Oh, for Pete's sake... open up the damn forum. It's the almost the only thing of interest still remaining in what's left of this community. It's the only place anyone shows anything of themselves that isn't some oddly concocted internet persona. The only place where you get to see any part of their mind.

Well a couple of thoughts are running through my head, so indulge me as this might be a bit rambling.

First off, it's been my experience that these flare ups just tend to happen no matter what you do. Hardcore moderation, hands off approach, or somewhere down the middle... people will flip out at various intervals. Right now I'm leaning towards my preference to allow a choice.

Hellfire: will be a lightly moderated forum where you go in with that knowledge; dont have a thin skin, do use the friend/foe list to filter people out, if someone is being a **** just deal with it. Tell them where to go and what to do when they get there, ignore them, mock them... whatever. The caveat being if it spills out into every thread you are both gone and I could give a **** whose fault it is. Just deal with the problem and move on. 4 pages of multiquoting each other demanding proof, and calling each other liars and all that ... bye. If you're just arguing passionately and it's not a "I **** HATE YOU!" fight, fine.

Heckfire: I'm open to names here; Current Events? This will be "heavily" moderated. If you cause trouble you're out quickly, for a long time. Multiple infractions means you're gone for good from that board.

Anything spilling out onto other boards get's you a 30 day ban.

Overall I am a believer in putting the onus on the posters. People need to grow up and be big boys and girls. If whoever from the internet gets to you on a regular basis, it would behoove you to learn to deal with that rationally. Moderators are analogous to government in this and I'm a small government guy. We can give you options, but you need to play nice or go away. We're in a community here, remember that. If you're being a **** to people, *even if you believe in your heart of hearts that it can be scientifically shown THEY DESERVE IT and plus God told you they deserve it, it has an impact on you. "You" are a poster just like everyone else. You're going to experience different opinions and dickheads out there, learn to deal with it.

Comments welcome.

I'm guessing that Dash has it passworded while the mods type up the rules?

I think the bifurcated Hellfire/Heckfire approach is a good one, but I suggest one change to the rules: I would allow Heckfire disagreements to "spill out" into Hellfire without consequences. Not to every thread in Hellfire, mind you, but into a mirror thread to match the one in which the Heckfire disagreement started. For example, if a Heckfire discussion of Palin's speech to Tea Party Con starts to get heated, the heated folks can start a mirror thread about Palin's speech in Hellfire to vent their spleen.

Basically, it's a "take it outside" concept.

Hellfire: will be a lightly moderated forum where you go in with that knowledge; dont have a thin skin, do use the friend/foe list to filter people out, if someone is being a **** just deal with it.

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin

I think the bifurcated Hellfire/Heckfire approach is a good one, but I suggest one change to the rules: I would allow Heckfire disagreements to "spill out" into Hellfire without consequences. Not to every thread in Hellfire, mind you, but into a mirror thread to match the one in which the Heckfire disagreement started. For example, if a Heckfire discussion of Palin's speech to Tea Party Con starts to get heated, the heated folks can start a mirror thread about Palin's speech in Hellfire to vent their spleen.

Basically, it's a "take it outside" concept.

My guess, however, is that the more...vocal of the Hellfire constituents (which makes up the vast majority of people who actually care enough about these issues to discuss them) are going to chafe at the idea of having more stringent checks in place, and will simply go straight to Hellfire, rather than passing through Heckfire and collecting $200, thus rendering Heckfire moot.

This is why I don't think the dual forums will work. I don't want to sound overly negative, nor do I want to discourage problem-solving ideas; it's just that like I said, I have my doubts as to its efficacy. I'm game for giving it a try, though.

My guess, however, is that the more...vocal of the Hellfire constituents (which makes up the vast majority of people who actually care enough about these issues to discuss them) are going to chafe at the idea of having more stringent checks in place, and will simply go straight to Hellfire, rather than passing through Heckfire and collecting $200, thus rendering Heckfire moot.

This is why I don't think the dual forums will work. I don't want to sound overly negative, nor do I want to discourage problem-solving ideas; it's just that like I said, I have my doubts as to its efficacy. I'm game for giving it a try, though.

I'm not sure what the goal is here. Most people are capable of playing nice, even in Hellfire, and manage to do so. The unfortunate concatenation of events last week should not be used as the impetus to "do something". It was not indicative of a larger problem that required fixing.

I'm not sure what the goal is here. Most people are capable of playing nice, even in Hellfire, and manage to do so. The unfortunate concatenation of events last week should not be used as the impetus to "do something". It was not indicative of a larger problem that required fixing.

Me, I don't care what happens to Hellfire. I don't wish it locked, but I wouldn't shed a tear were it to remain this way forever.

I resent the implication that the rest of the Glade is somehow lesser than Hellfire. That no other forum is worth anything compared to Hellfire.

Yes, my oddly concocted internet persona is a married Helpdesk analyst with a new baby. That's the internet life I live.

I avoid Hellfire because I don't come to the Glade for arguments and heated debates. I use it as an outlet to help get through a day of work. It's like being in a room of friends or friendly social acquaintances and carrying on conversations about anything and everything. Life, sports, games, entertainment, random internet memes and jokes, etc...

I don't want additional stress added onto my work day from getting into debates in Hellfire. That's not what I come here for. I don't argue well through this media, nor do I even want to most of the time.

Keep your Hellfire, but don't assume that everyone shares your opinion of it.

All I'm doing here is delineating what is ok where.

I think the bifurcated Hellfire/Heckfire approach is a good one

My guess, however, is that the more vocal of the Hellfire constituents...are going to chafe at the idea of having more stringent checks in place, and will simply go straight to Hellfire

That's possible, but I think people will be reluctant to admit they can't have a civil discussion, so they're likely to at least give Heckfire a try. *shrug* I don't know, I guess I'd just rather err on the side of optimism.

WTF, dude? Why so frackin' negative?

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