The Glade 4.0

There is also a lot of evidence that people are opposing him because they don't like his liberal, socialist policies.

Yes, there are idiots that attach themselves to huge groups. Like many of your liberal peers who called for Bush's death and compared him to Hitler during many various protests. How bout we do this, you don't bring up the small number of idiots who attach themselves to legit protests and groups, and I won't do the same to you. OK?

Oh and for your snarky comment about the number of people, while we don't know if there were millions, from what I've read, it's closer to the million mark than the mere thousands that the left and it's media buddies are trying to make it. Tons more than the rally the president had during the same time frame.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

The trouble is that they aren't attacking him on policy grounds. Or rather, they aren't actually talking about any specifics about his policies. They *are* shouting about things that have nothing to do with his policies - Death Panels, government takeovers of the health care industry, socialist indoctrination of children, FEMA re-education camps, and other such nonsense, in addition to the Birther conspiracy crap.

And that's one of the reasons why I believe the most intense opposition to the President is born of race. There are legitimate lines of attack on the President's policies that can be made at the legislation itself, and not these crazy and unsupported conspiracy theories that seem to permeate not only the extremist base of the Republican party, but also it's elected representatives.

By the way, what you have heard about the number of protesters is incorrect. It was no where near 1 million. It was somewhere between 50 thousand and 70 thousand. That's still a big protest, but it got no where near a million people. It was unlikely to top 100,000.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Actually they are, on this board alone people attack him on his policy and the things he has said and what he wants to do every day. I read many, many things talking about his policies that don't mention a thing about his color other than to bemoan once again that the only defense the left seems to have these days is the race card. I don't know about you, but I don't think a single person on this board is racist. So to say that people don't like the president because he is black, is frankly silly. He could be lily white and I'd bet my next 5 paychecks everyone on this board would still be against what he is doing. So sorry Monty, I think you are very, very wrong on this issue and it's a shame that you can't just see that people don't like what he believes in, what he stands for and what he wants to do to this country and it's people, and have to lay it all on skin color. That really is a shame.

By the way, I think what you have heard is incorrect. Hell, a British paper said it was in the millions. I'd be very surprised if it was under 100k. In any event, it's much more than the left and the liberal media wants to credit.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

You'd be wrong

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Holy shitsnacks!

Was that british paper a NewsCorp paper? and was it quoting Michelle Malkin?

There were an estimated 2 million people at the Inaugeration. The crowd in Washington on 9-12 was nowhere near that size. The facilities in washington were not strained. Public transportation was pretty clear, and all indications put the range between 50 and 70k, with the outliers (outside of Michelle Malkin's lie about 2 million) putting it at 100k.

Your report was probably from a NewsCorp paper (same company that owns Fox News), and should be an example to you as to how they mislead their readers.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Just like the signs that compared Bush to Hitler, Satan, a chimp, had him hanging by a noose... I could go on.

The double standard here is ludicrous.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Well, you are an equal opportunity racist so it doesn't count:)

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Hey man, if they ain't white, they ain't right!

Although, I hates me some white people too.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Those were bad, too, but were they racist images? No. There weren't any traditionally racist imagery used at that time. Furthermore, if people objected to the use of Hitler imagery to describe bush, and do not do so when it comes to Obama, then I am forced to question their motives.

As to the size crowd, a lot of the tea party protesters were passing around this photo -

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to artifically inflate the numbers. Sadly, that photo is missing the National Museum of the American Indian, which opened it's doors in 2004.

It's possible that the newspaper Nitefox had seen used that photo to justify their report, but that would be a pretty good dose of egg on their face. The on the ground reporting kept it in the 50-70k range.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Not sure, I can't find it.

But after doing some research, it seems they were on the high side by a long shot. While there is no firm number, close to 100k seems to be good estimate, which is great. That's not just "a few thousand" that I've heard and read from left leaning sources.

Great picture here.

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content ... lo-res.jpg

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

So? Stop focusing on race. The left is the one making this a race issue. It's getting harder for the left to defend this horrible start to The Chosen One's administration so they go back to ole reliable, the race card. If you disagree, racist. If you point out a flaw, racist. If you don't like the direction the country is going, racist. If you don't like someone he appointed, racist. It's sad really.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

No, the people making race an issue are the onse carrying signs depicting the president as a monkey, comparing him to a zoo animal, and screaming at him to go back to Kenya. Calling them out on that, and talking openly about the undercurrent of racism in this debate is not the same thing as making it an issue.

It should not be ignored.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

I didn't object to the Hitler imagery. Its a bit ignorant really.. but eh free speech and all, even if its ignorant.

I also do not object to the Obama imagery. Its likewise ignorant, but still, free speech.

In essence, you're saying that comparing Bush to a monkey is more OK than comparing Obama to a monkey simply because Obama is black? They're both *wrong* but its *worse* to do it to Obama?

That's racism.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Yes. Historically speaking, comparing blacks to monkeys is clear racist imagery. Comparing bush to a chimp was due to his intellectual incompetence and his antics.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Agreed, but it shouldn't be the focal point. The left is using the fact that there are racist assholes out there riding along on the coat tails of legitimate protesters and people to willfully ignore what the protest is about. The left is making it a race issue so that they won't have to discuss and draw attention to what the real concern is. And that is a huge shame because people who are fair minded hard working folks are being ignored because the left wants to focus on some idiot with a racist sign. It just points to the fact that the left is seeing that everything isn't all happy and wonderful like The Chosen One said it would be so they are doing what they can to discredit legitimate concerns.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

They're both offensive. But its OK because Bush clearly *was* a chimp.

/sigh

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Holy shitsnacks!

Yes, you could consider both of them offensive. But only one of them has racial overtones.

Nitefox - Yes, I agree, it's probably a distraction to have it be the focal point of the debate. That being said, there isn't much focus on the actual policies, just these insane conspiracy theories. Of course, one cannot expect our public discourse to be a reasoned debate anymore.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

It's sad that everything that doesn't support Obama is racist to the left. It's sad, the man's not the Black President, he's the President. The overuse of the race card has made the term meaningless in today's discourse, and its continued overuse will soon have the opposite effect the left is hopong for.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Actually no, there is plenty of focus on the policies. We do that the majority of the time just on this tiny board. The conspiracy theory folks are the minority, the racist are the minority. The left though only wants to talk about them so the real majority of folks are being ignored.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Show me where?

The debate on this board might get to that point, but for a long while this board wasn't much different than a screaming town hall meeting. Lots of things like death panels and other such gobblety gook were baseline assumptions. I hope that time has ended, but we shall see.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

That would be untrue. There were a couple of threads talking about the birther stuff(it was all explained to you in very, very, very simple terms. You chose to ignore what was actually being said though), and I don't remember a whole lot about the death panels being talked about(meaning no one here took them seriously). Sorry Monty, try again.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

What if people like him for calling that black guy, Kanye West, a jackass?

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I did like this.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Racist! Wait...

*head explodes*

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Ha, so did I. It was the first time I've heard him sound genuine.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."