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If we put labels on everything that could potentially kill you here... well we're gonna need a lot more label makers >.<


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Where's the moral outrage at Old Age?


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Where's the moral outrage at Old Age?


Old people are useless, Khross. Duh.


Only for now... old people are abiding their time until technology such as the mech becomes available. Japan's working on it...


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Investing in labeling machine seems like a good idea.

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The biggest problem is that most parents don't realize how dangerous they are.
Given the number of choking deaths per year from food as a whole, "how dangerous they are" is "not very".


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Wow so much vitriol in the hot dog thread. LOL

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The biggest problem is that most parents don't realize how dangerous they are.
Given the number of choking deaths per year from food as a whole, "how dangerous they are" is "not very".

Shouldn't "how preventable they are" is "very" also be a consideration?

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Just thinking of applying warning labels to body parts for sex workers.

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Just thinking of applying warning labels to body parts for sex workers.

Damn, my mind is in the gutter.

That's why I have two tattoos on my nether regions, I don't need that liability exposure.

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You guys are seriously retarded. Comparing choking on a hot dog to running into a wall? That's gotta be the dumbest thing I've ever heard on this board.

Again, the point remains - despite the attempts to label those in favor of educating parents as communist, or some other some such ridiculous leap in logic - that hot dogs are surprisingly dangerous.

1)Surprisingly, especially, out of balance with other foods, more dangerous.
2)Common food given to children, a kid's meal, a nummy for the kiddies
3) Most parents are unaware, uniformed, uneducated, unknowledgable, in the dark about these extra dangers.

Therefore, a warning label is appropriate.

No, warning labels are not appropriate for walls, for God's sake, because walls are not surprisingly dangerous. They're **** walls. If it was a wall that randomly popped out at you, then yeah, it would be surprisingly dangerous, and would probably warrant a warning label.


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Vindicarre: It's other people's job to raise little Johnny and little Susie, not the parents. They want to continue to go about their lives as though nothing has changed.

Gawd, get with the program.


Second dumbest statement in this thread. Not at all related to what I'm saying. But irrelevant sarcasm sounds good in a blog, so carry on!


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You guys are seriously retarded. Comparing choking on a hot dog to running into a wall? That's gotta be the dumbest thing I've ever heard on this board.

Again, the point remains - despite the attempts to label those in favor of educating parents as communist, or some other some such ridiculous leap in logic - that hot dogs are surprisingly dangerous.

1)Surprisingly, especially, out of balance with other foods, more dangerous.
2)Common food given to children, a kid's meal, a nummy for the kiddies
3) Most parents are unaware, uniformed, uneducated, unknowledgable, in the dark about these extra dangers.

Therefore, a warning label is appropriate.

No, warning labels are not appropriate for walls, for God's sake, because walls are not surprisingly dangerous. They're **** walls. If it was a wall that randomly popped out at you, then yeah, it would be surprisingly dangerous, and would probably warrant a warning label.



They're not surprisingly dangerous. There are about 100 choking deaths per year from all causes, for children 14 or younger. 14 year olds, or even 6 year olds, are not small children who need their food in small bits to begin with.

If there are 120 choking deaths per year, we can therefore eliminate 2/3 of them right off the bat as "not an argument for warning labels" because the kids are old enough to chew anything and warning labels wouldn't do ****. They're freak accidents.

That leaves us with 40 per year, not all from hot dogs.

So, this unknown number of bona fide small child hot dog choking deaths is probably under 40 per year.

So no, they are not surprisingly dangerous.

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You guys are seriously retarded. Comparing choking on a hot dog to running into a wall? That's gotta be the dumbest thing I've ever heard on this board.

Again, the point remains - despite the attempts to label those in favor of educating parents as communist, or some other some such ridiculous leap in logic - that hot dogs are surprisingly dangerous.

1)Surprisingly, especially, out of balance with other foods, more dangerous.
2)Common food given to children, a kid's meal, a nummy for the kiddies
3) Most parents are unaware, uniformed, uneducated, unknowledgable, in the dark about these extra dangers.

Therefore, a warning label is appropriate.

No, warning labels are not appropriate for walls, for God's sake, because walls are not surprisingly dangerous. They're **** walls. If it was a wall that randomly popped out at you, then yeah, it would be surprisingly dangerous, and would probably warrant a warning label.



They're not surprisingly dangerous. There are about 100 choking deaths per year from all causes, for children 14 or younger. 14 year olds, or even 6 year olds, are not small children who need their food in small bits to begin with.


There are thousands of choking cases requiring treatment in the emergency room. Regardless, hot dogs lead choking fatalities by a fairly wide margin.

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If there are 120 choking deaths per year, we can therefore eliminate 2/3 of them right off the bat as "not an argument for warning labels" because the kids are old enough to chew anything and warning labels wouldn't do ****. They're freak accidents.


No, you really can't since most occur in small children. All are freak accidents anyway. I'm not sure what you are getting at? Are you under the impression I'm arguing that hot dogs are too dangerous?

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So, this unknown number of bona fide small child hot dog choking deaths is probably under 40 per year.

So no, they are not surprisingly dangerous.


Yeah, they are. They lead in choking deaths by a wide margin - therefore, they are suprisingly dangerous when compared to other foods. Like I said before.


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Anyone who needs choking labels on food is probably better being removed from the gene pool to begin with.

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Anyone who needs choking labels on food is probably better being removed from the gene pool to begin with.


Are you suggesting toddlers can read? Or that they should be fully aware of all the choking hazards around them?

As I've pointed out, most of the people in this thread are uninformed on this subject. They should all die?


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There are thousands of choking cases requiring treatment in the emergency room. Regardless, hot dogs lead choking fatalities by a fairly wide margin.


Again, that number is based on children up to age 14 per the OP, so we can slash it by 2/3 right off the bat. Not only that, ut I've seen no indicationt hat they lead by a wide margin.

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No, you really can't since most occur in small children. All are freak accidents anyway. I'm not sure what you are getting at? Are you under the impression I'm arguing that hot dogs are too dangerous?


How do you know most occur in small children? How much is most? 51%? 90%? How are you defining small children? I'd call it under age 5, for food chewing. In any case, if they're all freak accidents then there's no real need to do anthing about it.

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Yeah, they are. They lead in choking deaths by a wide margin - therefore, they are suprisingly dangerous when compared to other foods. Like I said before.


You haven't shown that they do lead choking deaths by any marin, much less a wide one, and in any case, even if they do the number of deaths is so small in absolute terms that it still is insignificant.

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There are thousands of choking cases requiring treatment in the emergency room. Regardless, hot dogs lead choking fatalities by a fairly wide margin.


Again, that number is based on children up to age 14 per the OP, so we can slash it by 2/3 right off the bat. Not only that, ut I've seen no indicationt hat they lead by a wide margin.


No, again, you can't - since most deaths occur in younger children. It's just under twice the fatality rate of the next food. Peanuts are high on the list, but I don't think that's a surprise. Nobody I know gives toddlers peanuts.

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No, you really can't since most occur in small children. All are freak accidents anyway. I'm not sure what you are getting at? Are you under the impression I'm arguing that hot dogs are too dangerous?


How do you know most occur in small children? How much is most? 51%? 90%? How are you defining small children? I'd call it under age 5, for food chewing. In any case, if they're all freak accidents then there's no real need to do anthing about it.


None of this is relevant. Nobody's suggesting a ton of people choke to death every year.

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Yeah, they are. They lead in choking deaths by a wide margin - therefore, they are suprisingly dangerous when compared to other foods. Like I said before.


You haven't shown that they do lead choking deaths by any marin, much less a wide one, and in any case, even if they do the number of deaths is so small in absolute terms that it still is insignificant.


Insignificant to what? What are you measuring this against, car accidents? Why would you do that? Hot dogs are surprisingly dangerous when compared to other foods. Wonderfully safe when compared to car accidents....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-02-22-1Achoke22_ST_N.htm


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No, again, you can't - since most deaths occur in younger children. It's just under twice the fatality rate of the next food. Peanuts are high on the list, but I don't think that's a surprise. Nobody I know gives toddlers peanuts.


What exactly are these fatality rates? Ok, it's twice as high as the next food, but even if most choking fatalities do occur in younger children, it's still an insignificant number. The OP had to stretch the age range up to 14 just to get it into triple digits.

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How do you know most occur in small children? How much is most? 51%? 90%? How are you defining small children? I'd call it under age 5, for food chewing. In any case, if they're all freak accidents then there's no real need to do anthing about it.


None of this is relevant. Nobody's suggesting a ton of people choke to death every year.


Yes, it is relevant. The rate of hot dog deaths compared to other foods doesn't by itself show meaningful levels of danger in hot dogs if the number of deaths in absolute terms isn't significant (and it isn't). IT's also relevant when you're tossing around vagaries like "small children" and "most".

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Insignificant to what? What are you measuring this against, car accidents? Why would you do that? Hot dogs are surprisingly dangerous when compared to other foods. Wonderfully safe when compared to car accidents....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-02-22-1Achoke22_ST_N.htm


When compared to causes of death in general and compared to the size of the populations in general, and no, they are not surprisingly dangerous. There's nothing surprising at all about it. Some food or other has to be at the top.

The bottom line is that they still cause no more than 100 choking deaths per year, and most likely significantly less. The issue is still insignificant. As for what it's insignificant to, it's insignificant in the scope of issues the nation faces.

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Vindicarre: It's other people's job to raise little Johnny and little Susie, not the parents. They want to continue to go about their lives as though nothing has changed.

Gawd, get with the program.


Second dumbest statement in this thread. Not at all related to what I'm saying. But irrelevant sarcasm sounds good in a blog, so carry on!


Actually, it's totally related.

You're an ignorant or lazy prick who needs warned about food for you children, or, alternatively, you advocate people being ignorant/lazy pricks who need warned about food for their children. Instead of taking responsibility for ****, letting the pregancy go to term, and not giving the child away, you want to cost us all money and effort to take care of ignorance or laziness.

I mean, we could also ban sharp corners, linoleum floors, swimming pools, bathtubs, and staircases because ignorant or lazy pricks don't want their kids to be hurt on those either; in fact since they cause more problems each year by orders of magnitude you should be out railing against the lack of an anti-linoleum lobby.

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The bottom line is that they still cause no more than 100 choking deaths per year, and most likely significantly less. The issue is still insignificant. As for what it's insignificant to, it's insignificant in the scope of issues the nation faces.


It's insignificant to other hazards children face every day. If we spend $1million on making hot dogs safer or labelling them as dangerous to save 2-3 lives per year versus spending $1 million to make car seats safer and save 30-40 lives per year guess which is more significant?

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Anyone who needs choking labels on food is probably better being removed from the gene pool to begin with.


Are you suggesting toddlers can read? Or that they should be fully aware of all the choking hazards around them?


What good would putting warning labels on hot dog do then? :roll:

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As I've pointed out, most of the people in this thread are uninformed on this subject. They should all die?


You've pointed out nothing about people in this thread. You've stated that people don't know how surprisingly dangerous hot dogs are.There's nothing surprisingly dangerous about hot dogs. It's food. Cut it up. Nobody said they didn't know that. If you're going to say that hot dogs are surprisingly dangerous when cut up like other foods...
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No, warning labels are not appropriate for walls hot dogs, for God's sake, because walls hot dogs are not surprisingly dangerous. They're **** walls hot dogs. If it was a wall hot dogs that randomly popped out at you, then yeah, it would be surprisingly dangerous, and would probably warrant a warning label.


Oh and form Arathain's USA Today article:

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She notes that more than half of hot dogs sold in stores already have choking-prevention tips on their packages, advising parents to cut them into small pieces. "As a mother who has fed toddlers cylindrical foods like grapes, bananas, hot dogs and carrots, I 'redesigned' them in my kitchen by cutting them with a paring knife until my children were old enough to manage on their own," Riley says.


Hot dogs are food; kids choke on food if the pieces are large enough. That's not surprising. Cut the **** things. There's your warning. If you can't be assed to cut up your kids food so they don't choke, don't be surprised when your kid dies.

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