The Glade 4.0

Hence why it's a warning to the unions, not the individuals.

It's up there with punishing the entire squad in boot camp. It encourages self-enforcement and peer motivation.

As for firing the whole district or not -- there's probably only one high school in the district, knowing New England population distribution.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Its usually bad for moral, but this isn't unheard of in government agencies when there is a change at the top... basically, everyone is "fired" with the ability to "reapply" for the now vacant position.

Weed out all the trash, save the ones worth keeping and let the rest go hang. Get new admin, and go from there.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Other than this one line, no one has mentioned the role of parents in any of this. Interesting. Isn't there a whole Hot Dog thread somewhere about parents responsibilities in rearing their children?

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These kids are failing school, not choking on hot dogs.

Apples and Oranges.

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Holy shitsnacks!

You mean hamburgers and hot dogs.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

/choke

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Holy shitsnacks!

WARNING THE FOLLOWING POST MAY POSE A CHOKING HAZARD TO MEESE:



Fixed it for you Arafys.

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Its too late. I've already choked to death.

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Holy shitsnacks!

At least future generations of meeselings will be spared this grisly fate.

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THINK OF THE Müslings!

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Holy shitsnacks!

All nonsense aside, you can't have an entire school failing without placing the blame on parents. Likewise, you can't have an entire school failing without placing the blame on the teachers, either. There has to be some sort of cultural problem at the root of this. Again, since you can't change the parents, mixing up the school system is a good start I guess.

The parents are irrelevant to whether the teachers are actually doing a good job. Even if we halve the responsibility of a 52% dropout rate, that's still 26% to teachers. More than enough to fire them all and ban their union.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Teachers cannot stop a child from dropping out. 100% honus on the parents.

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Not forcibly. However, they have immense influence over childrens' success. Children who see themselves succeeding are not likely to drop out.

100% onus on the parents is essentially saying teachers have no responsibility to do their jobs at all.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

*Stop*? No. Discourage, by making classes engaging, relevant, and helping students succeed? Yes. Teachers share blame for failed students, even ones that fail by deciding to stop going.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

It's not the teachers responsibility to keep them from dropping out. It's the teachers responsibility to TEACH them when the student is there.

Because we have started to view education as some federally funded baby sitting service is why we're in this mess in the first place.

You are all making assumptions of what the reasons are for the students dropping out. No where does it say the teachers are sitting on their hands passing the school day.

If my hypothetical kid drops out of school I would not blame the teacher but even if I did I'd make sure his/her butt got enrolled in another school and finished school up ASAP.

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Of course we're making assumptions. The exact reason is different for every student. The assumptions, however, are safe ones based on the aggregate results.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I just want to know when and why education became a "right" with requisite "entitlements".

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This is part of the issue as well.

US Law requires that children be provided an education. Unfortunately because of how the laws are written, it's the education system that ends up being in the middle. Because it is supposed to be provided, some parents completely absolve themselves of any responsibilities towards education. That in turn forces the schools to have to become "parents", because if they boot out kids or have poor success rates, then they lose funding or as this thread shows get fired. Things like the Americans with Disabilities Act only have made it worse, as some jurisdictions have interpreted that as having disabled kids main-streamed, which requires one on one tutors to be able to have anything successful happen, which is hugely expensive.

Basically, all the responsibility is on the schools, but none of the authority to actually affect real change.

While I very strongly support the idea that people should be provided a basic education, if they refuse to accept that education then they should be removed from the schools so they don't hold everyone else back.

Aizle:

No, see, you still don't get it. What makes education a "right"? Or, for that matter, what "entitles" any of you to go to college?

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The blood, sweat and tears of whomever coughs up the cash.

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In time, this too shall pass.

So 2 things. The first is that the people of the US have decided that education through high school is a right. It has been written into law and supported across the country by the majority. The second is that no one is "entitled" to go to college. But college isn't part of this conversation, so I don't see how that's relevant.

And because I suspect that you're still angling at some obscure idea, if I "still don't get it" then you need to do a better job of explaining yourself.

Aizle:

You still haven't explained why education is a "right".

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