The Glade 4.0

I think reconciliation rules allow for changes to an existing bill/law in order to make changes to it. It was originally intended to be used for making strictly budgetary changes that would reduce the deficit effects of a bill/law, but it's increasingly been used to pass changes (like COBRA and various tax cuts that increased the deficit) that couldn't get passed the filibuster. In this case, the plan is for the House to pass the Senate bill, both houses then pass a reconciliation bill that makes changes, and the President then signs the original bill and the reconciliation bill (in that order). It's sketchy for sure, but not totally unprecedented.

As for reconciliation vs. the nuclear option, I think the nuclear option is a reference to eliminating filibusters altogether.

http://www.thefoxnation.com/president-o ... e-51-votes

Obama we should not pas health care on 51 votes.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

If they go forward with reconciliation, I want to see a study that goes line by line through all three versions of the bill (the House bill, the Senate bill, and the final, reconciled bill) and publishes, as a percentage of wordcount, the amount in the reconciled bill that was never passed with a 3/5ths majority by *either* chamber. I suspect it will be staggering.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

So it's okay do wrong ad long as the other side has done wrong first? The end justifies the means and all that stuff?

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Always this way with politicians.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

No, but if you're outraged when one side does it, but never cared when the other side did, it's worth asking yourself whether you really think the underlying action is wrong or you're just succumbing to bias.

Or it just wasn't called to your attention until then.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Exactly Dave. I thought it was a bad idea in 05 and I still I think it's a bad idea today.

However as the videos show, people who were for anti-filibuster measures then are against them now and vice versa, including two of our top 3 legislators

I point my finger at them not because the are the enemy. If they were truely against anti-filibuster regulations in 05, they have the opportunity to break the cycle. If they don't it appears they are just for or against it when it suits them.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Some think the end justifies the means...

I think that the proposed changes will benefit me personally. I'm within 10 years of retirement and I can see my medical costs being cheaper if this plan comes off the way they plan...

...but I can't with good conscious saddle my kids with the kind of bill that will come from this. I'm in a better position than I think they will be, given the charges that are being racked up by the undisciplined spending that's taking place.

I feel sorry for my kids... for you all here who will be in the workforce for the next 30 years, and I can't ask you all to take on this additional burden.

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In time, this too shall pass.

11 Democrats voted to deny reconciliation, if what I heard on NPR was correct.

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Was Brown among them?

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

What can Brown do for us?

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Holy shitsnacks!

Scott Brown is a Republican.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I think the question was about Sherrod.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Very likely, given Rori is from the OH-IO.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Couldn't get past the filibuster?
Senate votes:
COBRA: 93-6
As well as other "rationalizations" that are inevitably brought up:
Welfare Reform: 78-21
SCHIP: 85-15



Senator Obama, I agree.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

He hasn't turned into anything, he's simply answering the great fabian dillema:

How do you further your system against a resistant democracy?

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I forgot for a moment there are too browns

yes my brown

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

They don't even read the legislation they pass. I'm barely even paying attention anymore. It just makes my blood pressure high.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

I love how all the deficit problems are levied at Bush's tax cuts. Nevermind Federal Reveues increased all 8 years Bush was in office. Nevermind the pesky little fact that Bush's Administration raised payroll taxes, which affect everyone, twice, either. I did not like Bush, but the one thing I cannot stand about the current political situation is the willingness to blame everything on Bush and outright lie to do it.

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It worked for 8 straight years when he was actually in office; no reason to change a winning playbook. It's been nonstop hammering since he entered office; the only interlude is the period from 9-11 to the "Axis of Evil" speech.

I can't think of a single political topic for the last 9+ years that hasn't been an endless barrage of how it was Bush's fault. 9/11 itself, Social Security, the Space program, the Axis of evil, going into Iraq, what happened once we got there, Afghanistan, missile defense, No Child Left Behind, the banking/real estate/economic crisis; everything has been attributed to malfeasence or incompetance in the Bush administration.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

They always blame the "Last Guy," creating that versmillitude is a key part of their strategy. A guy at work thinks that the insurance problems are soley because of the private industry running out of control. The media has done nothing to dissuade him of that. Even ones that would dissagree, present flimsy arguments. (GB, I'm looking at you.) As long as soemthing appears true, that's all they need.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn