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HOLY CRAP!

That is my number one favorite beer! If you are ever in Chicago, they have it on tap at Bar on Broadway :)

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Damn, the pictures make this thread torture. Rodahn, visit craft breweries. They often have "all you can drink" sample rooms where you can ask the brewers about each draught. You can find different schools of beers which you like.

Beer basics:

Beers are divided into two main categories, lagers and ales. Lagers are typically "bottom fermented" meaning they are aged for longer periods of time, at colder temperatures with no air exposure. This results in a crisper beer. Ales are "top fermented" meaning they are aged for shorter periods, at higher temps, and air exposure. They tend to be sweeter than lagers.

All beers require four ingredients: beer, malt, hops and yeast. Beers often contain additional malts from adjunct grains (mass produced commercial beers like Budweiser are made with corn mashes, because it's a cheap ingredient and gives it a crisp, sweet taste). They may also contain other spices like citruis fruit ring peels, pepper, coriander, cactus plant, "Spice of Paradise" (used in highly recommend Sam Adam's Summer Ale) and anything else you can imagine.

The water is the most important part. It's why breweries spend so much money on water treatment processes. The purer the water, the better the beer is going to be. Beer is about 90-95% water.

The malt is what produces a source of food for the yeast to ferment. Malt is made from cereal grains, most commonly barely, though wheat is a common (my favorite) substitute. Corn and rice are used in other parts of the world. Malting is an old artisan trade, one dating back to ancient civilization. Malt is just taking milled cereals (the milling greatly impacting the characteristics of the malt) and beginning the germination process. The malt can be cooked at various temperatures, providing a wide range of beers. If you get a chance to sample barely malts of different varieties, I highly suggest it as it will greatly enhance your understanding and appreciation of beers. Smell and chew the malts, sampling all their flavors. Toasting the malt more produces darker beers - they range from virgin, to golden malts all the way to dark, "chocolate" malts. The malt is then mashed using various processes developed of the years and strained. The most common way to cook the malt is in giant kettles that are fed water (again, notice the frequent importance of water) using some sort of sparging system. As the malt is sparged, the cereal grain bodies are collected by something called a lauter tun, which is basically a big rake strainer.

The exact details how beers are malted and mashed have great effect on the final beer product. Many beer companies have large and complicated chemical transfer systems to control the process to a great degree with high consistency. The actual processes used are often very complicated and involve multiple malting, mashing and cooking stages.

Mashing involves cooking the initial malt and transferring, preparing it to hops added. This liquid is called first wort, has no carbonation or alcohol and tastes very sweet as it contains sugar from the malt. If you get the chance to sample this product at this stage, do so. When it is mashed, hops are added as well as usually other spices at this stage. This involves much higher temperatures than the malt initially was exposed to and is the real cooking process.

Yeast is added, converting the sugar into alcohol and carbonation dissolved in the solution. Depending on the desire for the type of beer, the yeast may or may not be filtered out. Unfiltered beer leaves the yeast, adding to the cloudiness of the beer (Hefeweizens are a German style that is not filtered malted with wheat, and Witbier is a Belgian style that also is unfiltered and malted with wheat). It also adds volume in terms of making the beer more "fluffy".

Finally, the beer is "lagered" or stored at cold temperature where it ages and its taste may be enhanced by aging it on any number of agents such as birchwood chips, orange or lemon peel (giving the beer a distinctive note of banana or cloves especially in the nose, see Witbiers or Hefewiezen as a good example) and anything else you can imagine. Some beers are even aged on cocoa or vanilla beans (such as those made with dark toasted malts, which works surprisingly well).

Pasteurization is a packaging process, not a brewing process. Kegs are never pasteurized.

My favorite styles are Witbier, which is a Belgian White Ale brewed with wheat malt rather than barely. It is aged on lemon or orange peels and coriander giving it a distinct floral aroma and spicy, peppery taste. It is awesome in the summer. My other favorite are Belgian Trappist Ales (Dubbel, Tripple and Quadrupple) which are a very old style. They are brewed with medium golden brown malts, lots of hops. They are a Spring beer. The result is a copper color beer with very high alcohol contents (upwards of 10% in some), very crisp taste, yet somewhat warm and fruity, big dense creamy heads and lots of fun.

Things to look for in a beer: big, dense heads that leave a sticky lacing down the glass, floral and viney notes in the aroma, bitter and alcohol tasting finish and quality malts.

Finally: www.ratebeer.com The users on this community are **** poets when it comes to describing beer. These guys are for real about their beer and know way more about beer than I'll know about anything ever. They have thousands of beers cataloged in their database, probably tens of thousands and from microbreweries all over the world. Give 'em a try.

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Very nice write-up, Rafael.

Lots of good info here -- thanks, all for the suggestions, keep em coming!

I see I have my work cut out for me, and many trips to the bathroom in my future.


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Rodahn wrote:
Very nice write-up, Rafael.

Lots of good info here -- thanks, all for the suggestions, keep em coming!

I see I have my work cut out for me, and many trips to the bathroom in my future.

As long as those trips are upright, its all good :D

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It's funny, my wife picked up a 12-pack of "Moe's Backroom Pale Ale" on sale recently. I thought it was pretty good. But, there was no real info on where or by whom it was brewed, so I thought I'd look it up. The label says something about "Moe's Tap Room No. 21 Brewing Company" from Rochester, NY. Couldn't find anything on them.

Anyway, I Googled it, and found a review on BeerAdvocate.com. Guess I don't know much about beer; it got pretty roundly trashed by the folks there.

Might be another interesting site for you to check out, Rodahn.

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Hm, I have taken it upon myself to partake of The Ultimate Glade Beer Challenge.

In that I mean -- I challenge myself to drink one of every type of beer that is listed in this thread.

EDIT: So far, 25 types of beers.


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Hokanu wrote:
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Om nom nom

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HOLY CRAP!

That is my number one favorite beer! If you are ever in Chicago, they have it on tap at Bar on Broadway :)


Tasty! I like it a lot, but I liker her darker sister more:
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Anyone I ever meet from now own who prefers Dos Equis Special Lager to Dos Equis Amber will summarily be punched in the face for their incompetence.

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Heh, Dos Equis? Really?

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Good, cheap, or easy to find, pick two.
Killian's Irish Red is all three (good is, of course, subjective, but it's especially decent for a person new to beer) ;)


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Killian's Irish Red + Little Ceaser's Hot and Ready pizza = awesome fun for about 4 hours followed by gut busting misery.

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Rodahn wrote:
So yeah, I'm barely beyond a beer virgin.

So far, I found I like light beers the best (Corona Light is really the only one I have had much experience with), so looking for suggestions. Doesn't have to be a light beer per se, just something you think a beginner beer drinker would prefer.

I picked up some Labatt Blue (Light) on a recommend, and it's pretty darn good.


Welcome to the world of the Nectar of the Gods.

First some beer basics. At it's most basic, beer is barley, hops & water. In fact beer made in Germany for centuries, by law, could only contain those 3 ingredients. Today, other types of grain are sometimes used instead of barley, or a mix of barley and other grains. It's from the steeping of those grains that the sugars (malt) are extracted which the yeast converts into alcohol. Hops are a flower that is used to counteract the sweetness of the malt and to provide finishing characteristics of the beer. There are many different types of hops, each with their own flavor characteristics.

Speaking very generally, a beer that tastes very sweet or sugary has a lot of malt and little hops, and a beer that has a bitter aftertaste or is very dry/crisp has a lot of hops. As you can imagine there are TONS of variations in-between.

Now, brewers are also known to put in things other than barley, hops & water into their beers. Chocolate, fruit, other grains, molasses, pine needles, and many other things are sometimes steeped in the wort (beer before it's had yeast added) to add flavor or character.

Lastly, there are basically 2 types of beer. Ales and Lagers. Ales are made using yeast that ferments between 60-75 degrees and ferments at the top of the fermenter. Lagers use a yeast that ferments around 50 degrees, and ferments at the bottom of the fermenter. Both add their own unique flavors to the beers. I said basically, because there are some beers that are made with "wild yeast" and some hybid beers, typically some belgian styles and sour beers.

Within each of these types of beers, there are many individual styles.

Ales: Old Ale, Brown Ale, Pale Ale, Porter, Stout, Belgian Dubbel/Trippel
Lagers: Pilsner, American-Style Lager, Bock, Dunkel, Helles, Schwartzbier

Here's a good link for some additional reading if you're interested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_style

Now it's time for the beer snob to come out. The beers you mentioned, both being "light" beers, are basically the beer version of Wonder Bread. They have had most of the flavor, character, calories and nutrients taken out of them. They also are only going to taste decent very cold. Most of the large american beers are variations on the Pilsner and American-Style Lager.

My first recommendation is to try something from a micro brew and not one of big American breweries. The old joke (pre-micro brew revolution) is that American beer is like sex in a canoe. **** close to water.

Rynar's suggestion of finding a package store that allows you to mix and match 6-packs is an excellent one. Grab a bunch of different styles of beer and give them all a try. Try and pay attention to not just if you like them or not, but WHY you like them. Is it sweet or dry, hoppy or smooth, full bodied, fruity, tangy, whatever. That will help you determine what you like in beer and allow a good package store clerk (or us beer nuts) point you toward other beers you might like.

Lastly, here's a great website that can help point you towards various beers with reviews and probably way more information than you're looking for.

http://beeradvocate.com/

Happy drinking!


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Many of the posts at Beeradvocate.com read a lot like the pretentious douchebaggery that wine snobs spout off :)


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Timmit wrote:
Many of the posts at Beeradvocate.com read a lot like the pretentious douchebaggery that wine snobs spout off :)


You need to treat most beer rate sites like you do the WoW site elitist jerks. It's very good information, but you need to sift through some attitude.


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Aizle wrote:
Timmit wrote:
Many of the posts at Beeradvocate.com read a lot like the pretentious douchebaggery that wine snobs spout off :)


You need to treat most beer rate sites like you do the WoW site elitist jerks. It's very good information, but you need to sift through some attitude.

Yeah, that was my impression. It's just beer, man.

Gonna go home and have a Moe's Tap Room No. 21 Pale Ale. I like it, that's all that matters.

Heck, I don't even bother pouring my beer out of the bottle. I'm such a rube.

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Aethien wrote:
I like it, that's all that matters.


Indeed

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Heck, I don't even bother pouring my beer out of the bottle. I'm such a rube.


For some beers, it doesn't really matter if you pour it out or not. Typically, the stronger/darker the beer, the more it matters. I drink my "utility" beer out of the bottle all the time. I pour my stouts and porters into a glass.


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Aizle linked the correct site, beeradvocate, not ratebeer. I haven't visited either site in a while. But beeradvocate posters are very thorough and comprehensive describing the beer.

Different brews where the nose and head plays a key in the beers flavor should be poured. There's lots of different types of hardware, just like other drinks have.

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If beer farts were in the olympics, I'd have a gold medal today.

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IPA's are nice, but these days I mostly stick with Guinness.


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You know, I know it's heresy, but, Guinness just doesn't do it for me. Probably because I've never had it poured properly (after watching Bobby Flay on a food tour of Ireland get a 10-minute course in how to pour it). And, I like stout beers. A good bock, too. Hm, it's March, isn't it ... ? Just about the time for the real thing, if I remember correctly.

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Just to add a couple of names so you can get trashed hehe...

Fosters is not Australian for beer, it's Australian for crap. We export it so we don't have to drink it =P

Victoria Bitter (or VB) is what most people drink here to get drunk. It's cheap and not too overly bad...

XXXX is for those who can not spell beer. It's from the north in warmer weather and is sweater than VB.

Now going up a notch.

Cascade premium, Crown Lager, and James Squire is what most order, as well as Tooheys for the more average man...

Interesting fact about Australia. Each state has it's own beer (and manufacturer), and due to state pride we normally bag out other state's beers. There's also a recent protest cause they limited the beer/wine consumption at one of our car races to just 24 can/4 liters a day...

We like getting trashed >=D


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For an everyday cheap beer I like Yeungling's lager or black and tan. Bar beers are Newcastle, Sam Adam's Seasonals (I HATE their lager).

Decent beer bars I take a Chimmay Red (if drinking solo or with the right food Chimmay Blue), Three Philosophers, or (preferred) Old Peciliar.

I tend to shy away from very light beers and I despise IPA's. Lager is very good when its very hot out. I can drink and apprciate but do not care for Guiness.

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Just enjoyed a couple of Blue Moons...... :mrgreen:

Nite and LK, not sure if you can get this up there, but down south is a nice little micro brewery called Lazy Magnolia.....not bad. And if you are ever down towards the Kiln area you can pick up a party pig.....
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I prefer the lighter Indian Summer, but the Pecan is pretty good as well :)


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