The Glade 4.0

Wow. Just....Wow!

ACORN is totally exposed... by 2 people with a spy camera. The media in this country should be ashamed of themselves. I don't even think Olberman (who looks like a lesbian) can defend this and maintain the shred of credibility he's still clinging to.

and the fact that the twit from California is saying "I suspected I was being set up so I gave them my own false information. har har, I R Clever..."

/facestab

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

I was hoping it would go undetected until after the statute of limitations expired...

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

I had to do a double and triple take on this because you said "twit" instead of something else. I said to myself, "Self, there's no way Darksiege would use twit when another more colorful word that sounds similar is available."

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The Dude abides.

I've noticed that there is an obvious silence from the apologists now. Yup, isolated incident.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

There's a theme running here that's bothersome, though admittedly these videos are pretty damning on the surface. And, given that none of the ACORN employees in this video have come out to say that he films are inaccurate, it's harder to dismiss them.

That being said, the videos are heavily edited. Frequently, there are subtitles when you can't see the employees face (in other words, you can't get an accurate read on if they are saying what's being presented or what's been recorded). Also, there's no way to verify if the male in the video is actually saying what he's saying.

I would be a lot more convinced if the "journalists" made all of their full, original tapes available, pre-edit.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Been there, done that.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Excellent. Shouldn't be long before we know what's what.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

The full - unedited - transcript, as well as unedited audio are available (have been available to the general public for over a week for the first one), I think we all know that if something was fishy (other than ACORN apologists' excuses) it would be out by now. Hell I even posted a link to the transcript/audio, yet there was no claims that it was anything but true.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,551163,00.html I think this is number 5, offering advice how to smuggle in underage girls from Mexico.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

Who produced the full transcript/audio? Where was it available at?

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

I am trying to be better. I have decided (last night) to blow raspberries at people instead of telling them to "**** off". So twit instead of swapping out for the 'a'. I am gonna try

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

And from my own state of PA:

the Pennsylvania Department of State has had a Cease and Desist Order on its Web site against ACORN, dating back to November 2007. any organization subject to the cease and desist order “cannot legally solicit contributions in Pennsylvania.” ACORN has failed to register with the Department of State, as required by law. As of today, the organization still has not filed in Pennsylvania.

http://www.dos.state.pa.us/char/cwp/vie ... &charNav=|

They did better when they were operating in the shadows, now that everyone is focused on them, I suspect ACORN is going to be dismantled.

Then renamed and back to their own #$#$#$*$%$(% in no time.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Maybe, but if they can continue to be taken off their game through 2010, the Democrats may have some serious problems without their war machine.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

It's been operating illegally in many states for quite some time. While the current focus is on them, soon the fast food mentality of the US public will take over and they will be fascinated by the next bright and shiny story dangled in front of them.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Yeah, I think they were busted in Baltimore for the same thing in your state.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

You know, it's really hard to stick to the board rules here. When someone tries to defend the absurd, it's difficult to respond without calling that person an idiot.

I guess I could say "anyone who thinks like you is an idiot," but that would be against the rules, too.

I'm not really sure what to do, so I guess I'll just be quiet.

Drexel,

you do it this way...

"dude, really?"

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

It does look more and more as if ACORN has to do some serious restructuring. And unfortunately, the good work they do is being totally overlooked because of crap like this. The ACORN office here in Texas, for example is not under any investigation, and is even praised by Republicans for the work it does with the needy. Sigh.

So, the US government, over 15 years time, has given ACORN about 55 Million dollars, give or take. And with this one story, our lawmakers were quick to defund them.

Why didn't we defund Haliburton or KBR? They managed to "lose" something like 18 *billion* dollars in taxpayer money, and have been embroiled in tons of scandals for their abuses during the Iraq war.

And what about Blackwater? ACORN did a lot, but they never gunned any civilians down on a lark. Blackwater got a *lot* more money than ACORN ever did. Where is the outrage against those organizations?

If our outrage is going to be government funding of groups and organizations that squander those tax dollars or use them for nefarious purposes, then we have a lot of work to do in other areas that have for some reason gone mostly untouched.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

I'll give ACORN that they probably have noble intentions, probably have honestly good-natured and good intentioned people, both at the top of the organization and throughout the ranks.

But this kind of crap is indicative, as you point out Monte, of some draconian problems festering within the organization. They need to figure out or at least re-remember what their purpose is, and create and execute policy within themselves that gets them there. I think that would probably solve all their ailments.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Those organizations were acting in accordance with the government's wishes.

ACORN... was not.

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Holy shitsnacks!

So when Haliburton "lost" billions of dollars, and when Blackwater went on a filmed killing spree on civilians, they were acting in accordance with the wishes of government?

The CEO of Blackwater was recently accused, in a signed Affadavit in an American court, of actually murdering witnesses. Where was the outrage there? Surely murder is a more egregious crime than what's been shown with ACORN (which may not even be a crime).

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

If you think Halliburton actually *lost* the money, you're nuts.

After watching the Blackwater thing, they mentioned a JDAM being dropped across the street. So, I would wager that it was a legit target.

YMMV though.

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Holy shitsnacks!

That video doesn't show anyone going on any "killing spree", unless you think shooting at people who are shooting back at you is somehow a killing spree. At approximately 3:30 one of the men says that they are taking return fire from the front. The video only shows the shooter pulling the trigger and a helicopter flying around for the first three minutes; no targets are shown. They refer to "large groups" and such, but there's no reason to think those were anything except large groups of insurgents, sicne in 2004 direct-fire engagements were common, and there apparently were jet aircraft of some sort attacking as well. At 4:05 a man says "That's Mahdi army!", and the comment about the "turkey shoot" comes at 5:08 after he begins engaging the Mahdi Army insurgents. During all this, the video returns to a close-up of the sniper himself. At 5:19 one of them says "One of them has an RPG!". At 5:26 "They're shooting back" and "There's return fire."

At no point in that video does it ever show any civilians being shot, nor do the comments of the men imply it. I really find it hard to believe that civilians would just stand around being shot at for almost seven minutes, in any case.



We've been hearing about Blackwater for years now, and when the evidence keeps being hit jobs like this video, or the one where the gunner on a mercenary vehicle was supposedly shown machinegunning random cars for no reason -except that someone had put a country music song over the sound so you couldn't make out what was actually said- people get a lot more suspicious of the allegations. It's the same reason you're suspicious of the ACORN videos.

Then there's the simple fact that Blackwater and Haliburton ultimately were providing services to the government while ACORN.. was pursuing its own agenda. Blackwater and Haliburton don't get involved in our electoral process. As for KBR, I ate a lot of KBR chow and got a lot of laundry done by them. Their trucks showed up on time to line haul our vehicles and their tow truck recovery crews came out to get our guys when their vehicles got blown up. They did a pretty good job. I have no complaints.

(If it occurs to anyone to ask why we weren't towing our own vehicles, there's a reason. I'm not going to reveal that information, so don't ask. It's not classified, I'm just not going to give it out.)

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Because there are better things for y'all to be doing than hookin up a vehicle to a tow rig?

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Holy shitsnacks!