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DFK! wanted American McGee's Alice, in other words.

FarSky and I commented, as the credits rolled, that it must be incredibly depressing to play Alice, and not only fail to get a credit above the title, but be credited as "and ...".

In other news, I want to see the vikings vs. dragons movie previewed to an extent that frightens me, considering it is neither live action nor Pixar.

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Vikings v. dragons looks cool :)

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Cannot wait to go see this!

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Frankly, I didn't enjoy this movie very much.

I'm trying to put my finger on why.


Same for me actually, and most of my friends, we were all really looking forward to it, but it wasn't as good as we expected but not really sure why, I mean i wasn't bad or anything, just expected more I guess, i'm kind of thinking it was the 3d, I always find 3d detracts from movies rather than add, especially because 3d feels like we've gone back to the old low-def days cause nothing is as sharp and clear as non-3d films, everything looks a little blurry, like the camera was out of focus when they shot it.


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I saw it in 2D, 3D was sold out for days.

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That's what surprised me too, I expected it to be sold out and packed, especially since I went to an IMAX showing, but the theater was pretty damn empty, not even 1/4 of the seats filled.


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Müs wrote:
Vikings v. dragons looks cool :)

How to Train Your Dragon, since I looked it up last night, for any bystanders. Comes out later this month, which surprised me, considering it was the first I'd heard of it.

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Didn't watch the Olympics much Kaffis?

I didn't either, but was told the ads were all over the olympics.

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
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Vikings v. dragons looks cool :)

How to Train Your Dragon, since I looked it up last night, for any bystanders. Comes out later this month, which surprised me, considering it was the first I'd heard of it.


I've been...uhmm, I mean my kids have been looking forward to seeing this for a while now. We first saw the previews around Christmas, I think. They both really want to see it, which is good because it means I get to see it, too!

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I saw it in 2D, 3D was sold out for days.


Ditto.

2D was at most .25-.33 full.

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Didn't watch the Olympics much Kaffis?

Ah, that might explain it. No, because I stopped watching when we started officially letting professionals compete, and when snowboarding made the jump form EXTREEEME!!!! to Olympic sport. Though, really, I haven't been rivetted to them since '96; that was the last year when I felt like they were serving as an ideological proxy for Commies vs. The West.

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I understand that this movie is not dark and creepy, like American McGee's Alice? If that's the case, then I may not enjoy it as much as I was expecting either.

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I know a lot of people were expecting very creepy stuff from Tim Burton. And while I know he does creepy very well, you have to understand that this is a Disney movie, and one of it's most recognized characters/movies. I'm betting they wouldn't let him get as creepy as he wanted to be. I'm sure they tightened the reins up on him quite a bit.

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That's disappointing to hear. I was looking forward to seeing it, but I'm not so sure anymore. I guess I was hoping it would be more American McGee's Alice.

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Okay, that's pretty awesome.

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Alice in Wonderland (2010)
Directed by Tim Burton, written by Linda Woolverton

‘Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.


Isn’t there such a wonderful insanity to the writings of Lewis Carroll? Such a unique texture, so fluid are his words, so obscure the logic behind them. I think his writings make little sense, but it is in their seeming that they captivate us. It’s genius touched by madness, or possibly it’s the other way around.

The world of Carroll’s Wonderland appeared to me a match made in Heaven for Tim Burton, who has made a career of playing in the same kind of world, or at least one residing next door. Burton’s unique sensibilities, his love of overwrought environments that seem to creep in and infect their inhabitants, his marriage of the creepy and the sweet, thrilled me to think that he was going to apply his own unique stamp to what seemed a perfect property. Unfortunately, I don’t think the marriage will work out in the long run.

Let me backtrack for a moment and say that I enjoyed Burton’s Alice in Wonderland. I don’t want to dissuade anyone from viewing it, because I believe it has much to commend it. I don’t, however, believe it to be fully successful as a film, for a number of reasons.

First, to recount, when we join Alice (Mia Wasikowska), she’s 19, and about to be proposed to by a foppish dandy with a witch of a mother. Alice chafes at Victorian attitudes that seem to dictate all aspects of her life; she longs to imagine, to run free, to be silly and serious and above all, herself. In short order, she catches sight of a white rabbit in a wastecoat, and leaves her would-be fiancée in a lurch as she takes off after the besuitted bunny and tumbles down the rabbit hole once more.

Upon arriving in Wonderland, she finds that it’s been ruined by the Red Queen (Helena Bonham Carter, sporting a massive CGI noggin). To make a long story short, Alice is prophesized by the inhabitants of Wonderland (called “Underland” here, in an unnecessary bit of creative license) to be the Chosen One, joined by Wonderland inhabitants such as the Mad Hatter (Johnny Depp), and swept up into a battle to oust the Red Queen from her perch.

Let me first say that Wonderland’s aesthetic is marvelous. It’s rather a given that a film about Wonderland with Burton at the helm will look fantastic, and he’s certainly not rested on his laurels here. The film is screening in 3D, but it’s a post-production trick, and I’d actually suggest seeing it in 2D, to better take in the beauty and awe of the world. Everything from the set designs to the costumes to the CGI enhancement of virtually all of the Wonderland inhabitants (the Red Queen’s outsized head, the Black Knave’s odd body, and fully CGI beasties like the Cheshire Cat and the March Hare were birthed from a computer to populate the land) is possessed of its own unique beauty, and feels a part of this bizarre world.

The performances, too, are uniformly excellent. Some of the film’s stars are mere voices, like Alan Rickman providing the Caterpillar’s dulcet tones, or Michael Sheen and Christopher Lee putting in mere cameos as the White Rabbit and the Jabberwock, respectively, but all perform admirably. The bulk of the acting praise should be directed at Johnny Depp, who overcomes a truly unfortunate makeup job to imbue the Mad Hatter with real pathos and emotion. Playing this kind of nearly-alien character is Depp’s specialty, of course, but it makes it no less an accomplishment to engender empathy for the Hatter, particularly for anyone who’s seen stills of the madman’s outfit. Mia Wasikowska’s Alice is appropriately spunky yet polite (she is a Victorian girl, after all), and Helena Bonham Carter digs her forehead in and plays the Red Queen like a spoiled, wounded child.

No, I can’t fault the aesthetic or the acting. All of the film’s failures can, I believe, be placed at the feet of Linda Woolverton’s script. The film is simply of two minds about everything (thematically appropriate, perhaps, but not a wise choice). It simply can’t decide what it is, or even what it wants to be. A straight take on the source material? A bold reimagining? A remake with an older protagonist? A true sequel to the original books? The film is rather violent, and understandably creepy at times (beheadings, eye punctures, and a tiny Mia Wasikowska’s crossing of a moat by jumping onto the decapitated heads of those who’ve crossed the Red Queen spring to mind). Now, I’ve always believed Wonderland tales should walk that razor’s edge of innocuous and disturbing, but there’s no real emotional maturity to purchase that level of violence, or the creep factor. I’ve not (nor will I ever) complain about their inclusion, but the bottom line is that the film goes too far to really be a children’s movie, but doesn’t go far enough to be an adult film. It wants to straddle this odd middle ground, and doesn’t seem grounded enough, either emotionally or satisfyingly, for either.

Plot threads are brought in and left dangling. Alice doesn’t remember going to Wonderland before. But all this means is that Wonderland inhabitants constantly are asking her “Don’t you remember when you were here before?” The jump in time doesn’t seem to pave the way for any new twists; Wonderlandoners simply act the exact same as they did in the original stories. The Mad Hatter even goes so far as to constantly repeat his famous but well-worn riddle involving ravens and writing desks. The same tea party is still going on, the Red Queen’s still in charge and beheading people, the Caterpillar’s still smoking his hookah…it’s as though the only changes in Wonderland have been the result of some weatherization on the landscape. So what was the point of shunting the chronology along, aside from offering a slightly older protagonist?

I suppose I’m being hard on the film, but it’s only because I’ve seen similar subject matter tackled with much better results. There’s the superlative video game, American McGee’s Alice, wherein Alice has been in a mental institution, taking place after both her trips to Wonderland and her parents’ unfortunate deaths in a house fire, and must once again enter a darker, more reflective Wonderland to reclaim her sanity. Or perhaps take the series of books entitled The Looking Glass Wars, which purport to tell the “true” story of Alyss’s trip to Wonderland and the events there. Both of these would have been much better fodder for the story cannon than the drippy script from Woolverton that we were offered.

At the end of the day, I’m forced to find Tim Burton’s trip through the looking glass a noble failure, with a brain too weak to recommend but a body too pretty to dismiss without a glance. It’s certainly better than Burton’s massive failures, Planet of the Apes and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, but it falls far short of top-tier works like Sweeney Todd, and Big Fish. This Wonderland may be an intriguing place to visit, but, much like Alice herself, I doubt you’ll want to live there.


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and Helena Bonham Carter digs her forehead I plays the Red Queen like a spoiled, wounded child.


Err Wut?

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Went to see this last night, 3D..I loved it! Thought it was highly entertaining!

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Just walked in the door. It was awesome. There are very few movies I like to watch more than once, and this would be one of them. I'll buy it when it comes out on DVD.

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No, I can’t fault the aesthetic or the acting. All of the film’s failures can, I believe, be placed at the feet of Linda Woolverton’s script. The film is simply of two minds about everything (thematically appropriate, perhaps, but not a wise choice). It simply can’t decide what it is, or even what it wants to be. A straight take on the source material? A bold reimagining? A remake with an older protagonist? A true sequel to the original books? The film is rather violent, and understandably creepy at times (beheadings, eye punctures, and a tiny Mia Wasikowska’s crossing of a moat by jumping onto the decapitated heads of those who’ve crossed the Red Queen spring to mind). Now, I’ve always believed Wonderland tales should walk that razor’s edge of innocuous and disturbing, but there’s no real emotional maturity to purchase that level of violence, or the creep factor. I’ve not (nor will I ever) complain about their inclusion, but the bottom line is that the film goes too far to really be a children’s movie, but doesn’t go far enough to be an adult film. It wants to straddle this odd middle ground, and doesn’t seem grounded enough, either emotionally or satisfyingly, for either.



I agree somewhat, although I think you're overstating it.

I brought my 7 year old son and 4 year old daughter to this movie, and they both loved it. My daughter was hiding her face during the Jaberwocky fight, but other than that, nothing was all that disturbing to them. (I'm not sure they caught on that Alice was climbing across severed heads at one point, which was a bit disturbing to me--in the way I fully expect a Lewis Carol work to be disturbing.) I think it was, more accurately, an excellent children's movie with enough mature content to keep an adult entertained. If it had been a bit more kid friendly, I probably wouldn't have liked it as much. I could have stood for it to be more disturbing (like your previously mentioned American McGee's Alice), but then I couldn't have brought my kids at all. :)

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Oh, forgot...midway through the movie, Keira (four year old daughter) turns to me and says:

"Mommy, why does the Hatter sound like Jack Sparrow?"

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I hope you responded to her with, "CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow."


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I hope you responded to her with, "CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow."


This!

Saw "Alice" over the past weekend end, left the theater feeling "meh" about the movie. I think it has a lot to do with lack of explanation regarding the source material. It's hard to be afraid of a Bandersnatch (sp?) or Jabberwocky without knowing what they are.

I agree on the point that it isn't dark enough to really grab adults or family oriented enough to be geared towards children, it tries to straddle both worlds and does an admirable enough job but could do far better.

Perhaps a better approach would have been to intro in Wonderland with why they need Alice and then we follow the Rabbit in looking for her. This would give you a much better sense of Alice's purpose as the viewer even if she didn't know it herself.

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All I gotta say is QFTW!


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