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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:33 am 
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Who was talking about black market dealers. I was just talking about two friends. Hey I need to eat too and i'm your friend and will help you out.

Disclaimer: Hypothetically speaking. I wouldn't buy booze for anyone. I was just trying to prove a point.

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And that's fine. That's the point of food stamps. And you can even go and spend that extra money on booze or drugs or whatever. However, if you change the system you can make it harder to do this.

As for the "exchange food for beer/pot/whatever" thing, that might work here and there, but drug dealers are not going to start accepting groceries in bulk any time soon.


No actually I am pretty sure it is illegal. At least it looks like it.

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And that's fine. That's the point of food stamps. And you can even go and spend that extra money on booze or drugs or whatever. However, if you change the system you can make it harder to do this.

As for the "exchange food for beer/pot/whatever" thing, that might work here and there, but drug dealers are not going to start accepting groceries in bulk any time soon.


No actually I am pretty sure it is illegal. At least it looks like it.


I know it's illegal. I was pointing out that it works in the sense that you can get away with it. No system is going to render fraud impossible; it has to be enforced.

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Sorry I misunderstood what you meant by "that's the point of food stamps".

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What I meant was that it's the point of food stamps to free up money for use elsewhere. That elsewhere, however, is supposed to be rent, toiletries, clothing, etc., not booze, cigarettes, or drugs.

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Black market dealers generally aren't in the habit of being paid in groceries.


Actually, they are. Here is how the system works.

"Bob" is an oxycontin dealer. People go to "Bob" with both money and or food stamps (or anything else they think "Bob" might want, like electronics, vintage guitars, sex, ect.) "Bob" only gives half of face value on the food stamps for the drugs. Thing is, not all of "Bob's" customers are on welfare, and everyone eats food. "Bob" hangs onto the food stamps, and sells them to someone else for 3/4 of their value, turning tidy profit on those as well, while "Ed" from the suburbs, making 90K a year, has saved himself a bunch on money on his grocery bill.

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Rynar wrote:
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Black market dealers generally aren't in the habit of being paid in groceries.


Actually, they are. Here is how the system works.

"Bob" is an oxycontin dealer. People go to "Bob" with both money and or food stamps (or anything else they think "Bob" might want, like electronics, vintage guitars, sex, ect.) "Bob" only gives half of face value on the food stamps for the drugs. Thing is, not all of "Bob's" customers are on welfare, and everyone eats food. "Bob" hangs onto the food stamps, and sells them to someone else for 3/4 of their value, turning tidy profit on those as well, while "Ed" from the suburbs, making 90K a year, has saved himself a bunch on money on his grocery bill.


I understand that.

"Bob" can resell food stamps. What are the odds he's going to resell food, which is what was advocated.

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Who was talking about black market dealers. I was just talking about two friends. Hey I need to eat too and i'm your friend and will help you out.

Disclaimer: Hypothetically speaking. I wouldn't buy booze for anyone. I was just trying to prove a point.


Your hypothetical involves exchanging groceries for booze. That exchange, being illegal, is thus part of a black market.

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DFK! wrote:
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DFK! wrote:
Black market dealers generally aren't in the habit of being paid in groceries.


Actually, they are. Here is how the system works.

"Bob" is an oxycontin dealer. People go to "Bob" with both money and or food stamps (or anything else they think "Bob" might want, like electronics, vintage guitars, sex, ect.) "Bob" only gives half of face value on the food stamps for the drugs. Thing is, not all of "Bob's" customers are on welfare, and everyone eats food. "Bob" hangs onto the food stamps, and sells them to someone else for 3/4 of their value, turning tidy profit on those as well, while "Ed" from the suburbs, making 90K a year, has saved himself a bunch on money on his grocery bill.


I understand that.

"Bob" can resell food stamps. What are the odds he's going to resell food, which is what was advocated.


It is much less likely, but as former restaurant owner, I can't begin to tell you how many people would show up at my back door every week offering tenderloin and rib for $2ish per lb. Anecdotal? Absolutely. Necessarily related to drug exchange? Impossible to tell. But, it does happen.

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Rynar wrote:
It is much less likely, but as former restaurant owner, I can't begin to tell you how many people would show up at my back door every week offering tenderloin and rib for $2ish per lb. Anecdotal? Absolutely. Necessarily related to drug exchange? Impossible to tell. But, it does happen.


Fair enough, but I'll point you to specifically to "generally" in my original statement.

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DFK! wrote:
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It is much less likely, but as former restaurant owner, I can't begin to tell you how many people would show up at my back door every week offering tenderloin and rib for $2ish per lb. Anecdotal? Absolutely. Necessarily related to drug exchange? Impossible to tell. But, it does happen.


Fair enough, but I'll point you to specifically to "generally" in my original statement.

My ex's friend used to trade haircuts and manicures for food stamps. If someone called her up and said I'll give you $XX in food stamps for $XX-YY in beer (or drugs) she'd do it in a heartbeat. It is extremely common, though to your point it typically does not happen in the grocery store.

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