The Glade 4.0

Micheal, you're on the internet... I think you're being WAY too wimpy. You should be waving your e-peen with one hand and the flag draped constitution with the other, stroking both vigorously. You have an obligation and duty to project ignorance and testosterone while proclaiming what the founding fathers would do.

This isn't real life, man! It's not like you'll actually have to back up anything you post here. You need to craft a reputation... start talking about shooting and killing!

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In time, this too shall pass.

Keep them the hell away from the province of Jalisco.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Give me a lat/long and we'll see what we can do.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Yes, if you can hit it, and by the way, while "armor piercing incindiary" is a real type of ammunition, "anti-materiel round" is not. There's such a thing as an anti-materiel rifle but those are really just big sniper rifles, and a very poor choice for engaging aircraft.

If your unarmed militia just happens to have a well-trained sniper and a very heavy sniper rifle, or some sort of machine gun ready for action when the helicopter comes by, and it does you the favor of both A) coming within range and B) hovering or moving slowly, sure, it could be shot down.

However, ground fire from people without sufficient training (and by "untrained" I mean not specifically trained in engaging aircraft and vehicles; going to the range every week and shooting deer is "partially trained" for this task) or weapons really designed for engaging aircraft don't have the best record. At the Battle of Mogadishu, for example, much was made of lost helicopters. However, only 2 helicopters were lost despite hours and hours of fighting and hundreds of RPGs and probably hundreds of thousands of rifle and machine gun rounds fired.

Your "unorganized militia" might easily find themsevles wasting hundreds of rounds to no effect. Helicopters are why MANPADS are made; if they were easy to shoot down with small arms shoulder-fired SAMs would be a lot less popular for their expense and limited use against jets.

The anti-gun retards at the Violence Policy Center have made much of the availability of sniper rifles to civilians and quoted some highly elite snipers on the effectiveness of these weapons against helicopters as authority - conveniently failing to mention that the 18-year-old kid they claim can go buy one with a "cursory" background check is not comparable to the Sergeant Major they're quoting for how easy it is for him to shoot hovering helicopters.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Will a map suffice?


Jalisco (where all the Tequila in the world is made) and the surrounding provinces (where Blue Agave may also grow) need to remain untouched by radiation.

I also recommend avoiding the Mayan Riviera, because it's an awesome place to visit.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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But ... radioactive TEQUILA! It sounds so cool!

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In time, this too shall pass.

Not my style Taskiss, I don't have the need to get drunk and wave my e-penis so that all fall down in fear before me. I get enough mindless adoration and devotion in real life. The internet flavor falls short. I just feel the need to share my opinion that e-Elmarnieh is demonstrably insane and dangerously belligerent. He is one of the few cases I've run across where I would support a 5150 ruling extended to permanent detention for his own good and the good of society in general. He lives across the country though, I just hope he doesn't hurt anyone when he falls during his attempt to scale Billy Penn's statue and wave his privates at Philadelphia.

This does however, explain a lot about your posting style.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

In radioactive tequila, the worm eats you!

Basically, everything along the border needs to be razed. Juarez, Tijuana, Nogales, Laredo... etc.



Just turn that area into a 50 mile wide strip of destroyed no go zone. Snipers on towers, patrolled by UAV armed with hellfires.

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Holy shitsnacks!

I shoot for "comic relief". Anybody can have an opinion, I just try to dress mine up with a big red nose and floppy overly large shoes.

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In time, this too shall pass.

This

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Holy shitsnacks!

To be fair, we would have to sacrifice 25 miles of the dead man's zone. We will lose San Diego, Calexico, Yuma, El Paso, and a lot of small towns in Arizona, New Mexico and Texas, including Laredo and McAllen. Sound good Mus?

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Whoa, wrong forum there buddy. Everything ok?

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Moderators > rules.

I could make a 50 cal round out of chalk or compressed graphite and get a frangible round. 50bmg is an anti-material caliber sure but the type of ammunition one fires from it is also going to play a huge impact. A 50bmg with a nerf bullet is going to go about 100 yards or just explode in a ball of fuzz and sound.

A helicopter is much easier to hit than aircraft and in Mogadishu the primary weapon of choice by our opposition was the AK-47 (as we both know not known for accuracy) and RPG's in a three dimensional space aren't going to be very effective either. That being said yes the helicopter would likely need to be moving slowly or hovering and someone would have to have the rifle and ammo out or very nearby but hitting a helicopter even at 500 yards isn't going to be a feat for someone who is practiced with that kind of weaponry (and .50 isn't small arms its two steps above the beginning of anti-material .338 lapua and .416 being the ones before).

That being said, any decent hit from a .50 bmg with AP incendiary would bring one down. If our government isn't going to act to perform its responsibility to keep out foreign invaders than I suppose there is only one option left - that of the people.

And everyone it isn't my "unorganized militia" it is both "our unorganized militia" and "the unorganized militia".

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Ahh yes, deny a person of their rights, uphold a violation of the law - simply because someone has a conviction behind their beliefs that you disagree with. I don't think there is a better way to show the difference between us Micheal than to say I encourage you to speak your mind and I seek to engage you in debate, not in the use of force.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Fair? Screw fair. ***** don't wanna control their trash, we're gonna make damn sure it doesn't come over on our property anymore.

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Holy shitsnacks!

I don't see any problem.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Or you could use any one of a number of .50 caliber rounds already available. I doubt your chalk round could survive the stress of being fired.



A helicopter IS an aircraft.



Hitting the helicopter somewhere at 500 yards is going to be of at least moderate difficulty for an average marksman. However, just getting a hit will not kill a helicopter. You need to hit something vital, and that's orders of magnitude more difficult, especially since not all vulnerable areas are visibile from all directions, especially from below.

As for the AK-47 not being known for accuracy, it really didn't matter in Mogadishu because Somalis are even less known for accuracy. Volume, however, has an accuracy all its own. Even with that volume, however, they didn't have all that much success.



No, any "decent hit", as in hit to come critical area, has a good chance of bringing one down. Getting that hit, however, is nowhere near as easy as you're pretending. Again, before it even becomes a question of marksmanship there has to be someone there with a rifle to take the shot and the helicopter has to come within range and then sit nice and still.



So you're in favor of expensive combat air patrols to keep out the occasional Mexican helicopter that.. actually didn't do anything?



No, it's pretty much yours. The unorganized militia that really exists doesn't ahve people with .50 caliber sniper rifles sitting around waiting for Mexican helicopters.

Helicopters are not that easy to shoot down, although much easier than jets. If it were a trivial feat, there would not be man-portable SAMs nor would anyone bother with military helicopters.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

We don't know if it did anything or not DE, only that it was seen.

I know there are quite a few members of the unorganized militia with .50 bmgs and other anti material calibers.

I support the military doing SOMETHING to make it clear that foreign military in our nation will be, at the very least gruffly escorted back to their home. Currently ours does jack and ****.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

My question exactly - why is our military doing nothing? One would almost think they are allowing or even encouraging this behavior.

This is why I disagree on the need for the citizens to take immediate action. Prepare for an action, definitely, but don't give the feds reasons to shut you down and take your guns away. You know that is what would happen if the feds find out who fired such a shot. There could be any number of legitimate explanations for that helicopter to be there, to have received permission to be there, and we wouldn't be told Jack or Squat.

It isn't firing a new shot heard round the world. It is helping the feds find you.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Quintana Roo, Campeche, Yucatan and Tabasco too. Lots of neat stuff down there.

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The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

We don't try to disprove every proposition, we look for positive evidence. If there's no evidence of it doing anything then until some is found, it didn't.



This is a totally useless piece of information. I have no doubt that there are people who own these weapons. Duh.



We don't spend the money to maintain an active border defense. The border is 1969 miles long. The practicality of being able to constantly patrol for Mexican incursions along that border is limited, at best, simply because of the time it would take to reach any given point on the border.

Mexico's military isn't really a threat. That's why we don't waste time and money on patrolling in case of annoying helicopter incursions. If they actually cause any damage.. it won't be pretty for them. We're talking about a country that has 8-10 obsolete jet fighters and uses rather than a tank. In the meantime, however, it's more economical to handle such incursions diplomatically.

I should also point out that neither citizens nor sheriffs are customarily tied into air traffic networks, and it is entirely possible that the helicopter had permission to be there.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You made a statement that cannot be known to be true as if it were known. I pointed that out - its you're problem not mine.


And this line of yours "The unorganized militia that really exists doesn't ahve people with .50 caliber sniper rifles sitting around waiting for Mexican helicopters" I am absolutely certain that there is a US citizen between the ages of 15 and 54 who has or is doing just that.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

No, that's your problem. This is just you nitpicking in order to try to shift the burden of proof. Any statement of fact is necessarily "as far as we know" since humans are not omniscient. You're just playing word games here. In the absence of evidence that the helicopter did anything, the chance that it did is irrelevant.



I'm sure there are paranoid idiots out there too. However, that does not mean that they are actually providing any meaningful defense against annoying helicopters. If there actually is one, or even five or six people who spend any significant amount of time looking for Mexican helicopters to shoot at, the fact remains that they can't cover more than about 3,000-5,000 yards worth of border, out of almost 2,000 miles.

So no, the unorganized militia does not have people doing that. There are possibly a few individuals doing that but A) they are not doing it as members of the militia because, when unorganised, the militia is not a national defense organ but merely a pool of manpower and B) they have an infinetisimal chance of actually being around if and when a helicopter appears across the border. Merely being part of the unorganized militia by virtue of sex and age does not mean your actions automatically take on the legitimacy of the militia. Rules for the militia are made by Congress and the power to command them belongs to the President. A member of the militia who takes it upoin himself to shoot whatever he wants is in violation of UCMJ if he has been activated, and is a criminal if he is not.

If the U.S. is actually being invaded or attack in such a way that the individual citizen has reason to think the military is physically unable to defend the country or activate him, then sure, he can do what he wants, but one helicopter is not such a threat.

By the way, the militia act of 1903 specifies the age as 17, not 15. You can reference 10 USC 311.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."