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Me nitpicking? The only thing you ever do is nitpick DE. You stating assumption as fact is indeed a problem of yours.

As to the unorganized militia guy:
You said there weren't any, that means not one, it does not mean "meaningful defense". Stop changing goal posts.

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Me nitpicking? The only thing you ever do is nitpick DE. You stating assumption as fact is indeed a problem of yours.


Irrelevant personal attack.

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As to the unorganized militia guy:
You said there weren't any, that means not one, it does not mean "meaningful defense". Stop changing goal posts.


I'm not. Anyone doing that is not "the unorganized militia" doing it, and in any case, your certainty that someone is doing that does not mean anyone is.

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When you stop stating assumption as fact I will stop calling you on it and you can stop saying that its a personal attack. Deal?

Yes actually someone doing it is the "unorganized militia doing it".

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When you stop stating assumption as fact I will stop calling you on it and you can stop saying that its a personal attack. Deal?


When you stop trying to get around Burden of Proff by pointing out lack of omniscience on my part, maybe we can talk.

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Yes actually someone doing it is the "unorganized militia doing it".


No it's not. I've disproved this. Move on to something else. This is not the "Elmo repeats himself despite being proven wrong over and over" forum. If you want that one, go back to the main menu and click the next one up.

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It also isn't the "DE states something and there shall be no further discussion on it." forum.

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So anyway... DE do you think it is a problem that the Mexican Army has been launching incursions into the United States?

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So anyway... DE do you think it is a problem that the Mexican Army has been launching incursions into the United States?

Definitions of the word "incursion" in a military sense suggest an attack or invasion. I don't think there's enough evidence in the helicopter incident to support that assertion. Other incidents I've read about pretty much are clear that Mexican military personnel are being hired by drug runners and immigrant smugglers, not national sanctioned acts.

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So anyway... DE do you think it is a problem that the Mexican Army has been launching incursions into the United States?

Definitions of the word "incursion" in a military sense suggest an attack or invasion. I don't think there's enough evidence in the helicopter incident to support that assertion. Other incidents I've read about pretty much are clear that Mexican military personnel are being hired by drug runners and immigrant smugglers, not national sanctioned acts.

Agreed they are acting at the behest of drug runners. But that does not change the fact that the Mexican Army is operating Mexican Army equipment within the United States. I was pondering this and if it were Canadian solidiers doing this (yeah I know that would leave only 2 to keep an eye on the Moose) would I have a problem with it?

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So anyway... DE do you think it is a problem that the Mexican Army has been launching incursions into the United States?


That depends entirely on what you mean by "incursion". I'm not sure I accept that they are, except in the strictest sense of the word, but "incursion" carries connotations of deliberate action at levels above the unit actually doing so.

Is it a problem that they are violating the border? Yes. However, at the moment the most profitable way to handle it is through diplomacy. If they actually harm someone or damage property or capture people, then it will be time to take action. Until then, however, it makes us look better and costs us less money to exercise patience. Everyone knows Mexico has no real hope of defending itself against the U.S., much less attacking us.

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... -to-agent/

What about when they cross the border and hold border patrol officers hostage?

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/06/soldiers-cross-into-us-hold-guns-to-agent/

What about when they cross the border and hold border patrol officers hostage?

Seems clear that is a police matter, not a military one.

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I disagree, Taskiss. If civilians are doing it, it is a police matter. If organized military units are doing it, it seems to me that's exactly what our military is for.

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I disagree, Taskiss. If civilians are doing it, it is a police matter. If organized military units are doing it, it seems to me that's exactly what our military is for.

It didn't indicate it was an organized military operation, the article stated that it was unclear what reason they were there, and offered the possibility it was smugglers.

I'm thinking something like this would be considered a police matter unless evidence proves otherwise.

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Smugglers, both Mexican military and civilians who have gotten hold of military gear, have been know to use Mexican military equipment AFAIK.

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Smugglers, both Mexican military and civilians who have gotten hold of military gear, have been know to use Mexican military equipment AFAIK.


Only solution then is to just start shooting at anyone with Mexican Military equipment in the US.

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And when Mexico screams, "OMG STOP SHOOTING AT US!! WE'RE FRIENDLY"

We can say, "No, no you're really not. GTFO of our soil."

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And when Mexico screams, "OMG STOP SHOOTING AT US!! WE'RE FRIENDLY"

We can say, "No, no you're really not. GTFO of our soil."

"¡¡DEJE DE DISPARAR!! SOMOS AMISTOSOS"

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And when Mexico screams, "OMG STOP SHOOTING AT US!! WE'RE FRIENDLY"

We can say, "No, no you're really not. GTFO of our soil."

"¡¡DEJE DE DISPARAR!! SOMOS AMISTOSOS"


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Mexican Mafia already run most latin gangs in the US, from my understanding, if indirectly in many cases.

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Arizona rancher shot and killed on his ranch. No definite evidence that it was an illegal alien, but probability is extremely high. Ranchers in Arizona deal with trespassers and destruction of property quite often.

http://www.gilacourier.com/?p=6042

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No no, he wasn't "shot and killed" he was "found dead".

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Is that like saying he had a heart attack due to getting shot in the flippin heart?

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Is that like saying he had a heart attack due to getting shot in the flippin heart?


Something like that. But it for sure wasn't an illegal. Our borders are secure.

He was probably cleaning his gun and it went off or something. Maybe suicide.

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Or... global warming made the powder in his gun ignite. It Arizona, after all.

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