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Worth clicking the link since the comments are good below this and he has some other sites linked as well that I didnt carry over:

http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/2010/03 ... d-fitness/

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I was riding my mountain bike yesterday and all of the sudden it just came to me. I just started thinking about how many things I’ve learned through my own personal working out (since I was a kid and playing competitive sports) as well as being a trainer (since 1998). So today I just wanted to share some of the things this 36yr old has personally learned about all things health and fitness….in no certain order….

* Pushups are the best upper body workout designed….no machine can replace that…you don’t need any equipment and you can do them anywhere.
* It’s easy to become a certified trainer (as I have seen overweight people become certified)….it’s not easy to work as one full time (hence a high turnover rate in many clubs)
* Diet is 85% of where results come from…..for muscle and fat loss. Many don’t focus here enough.
* Working out too much doesn’t lead to good results….hence most people are still struggling after years of hard effort and little return.
* Most people do not lift heavy enough to make stronger muscles.
* It’s never too late to build muscle….and is more important as we grow older.
* The only real cure is prevention….don’t get sick in the first place otherwise you may be in for a long road back to health
* If you eat whole foods that have been around for 1000s of years, you probably don’t have to worry about counting calories
* Sugar is not our friend
* High Fructose Corn Syrup is making people fat and sick
* The biggest 2 threats to our health are inflammation (silent and chronic) and insulin resistance
* Our dependence on gyms to workout may be keeping people fat….as walking down a street and pushups in your home are free everyday…but people are not seeing it that way.
* If I had to pick one sport for a child to start with it would be gymnastics, the strength/speed/balance/body control they will learn can be applied to any sport down the road.
* I hate to jog….I love to run
* Never listen to any advertising telling you what is healthy….as they are just trying to sell you something
* There is no such thing as spot reduction…but there is a great business in selling that concept (Ab-reclining chair anyone?)
* The fittest people I know keep active daily doing what they enjoy
* Fitness and Muscle magazines never got me any real results
* Supplements were are waste of a lot of money for me
* The best performance enhancing thing I know of….is a cup of coffee 30min before a workout/playing sports.
* To build muscle, throw away your Whey protein and eat more steak and eggs
* More people are taking muscle building hormones than will ever admit to you
* The best way to lose weight for most is lower carbohydrate eating/cycling
* I was skipping breakfast long before I ever found out about intermittent fasting (IF)
* It’s a lot easier to stay fit and strong….once you get there
* Meat and Fat are my friends
* Muscle size does not tell a person’s real strength
* Muscle size is mostly glycogen and water
* Whole foods can never be replaced by a multi-vitamin
* Most people need some Fish Oil to control inflammation
* Many brain functions may be vastly improved with a diet of no sugar/higher fats (esp DHA from fish/fish oil)
* Breakfast is not the most important meal of the day
* Eating 6x a day provides no metabolic advantage for losing weight than 2-3x a day…it’s still about calories and blood sugar/insulin control
* Mainstream media is 5 years behind research studies….research studies are 10 years behind what people are already doing for health and results
* The eat low-fat advice was the biggest health disaster in the last 30 years
* The greatest learning experience was helping people with autoimmune/arthritis to get healthier…..I never got more appreciation for my own health and how important prevention really is.
* The saddest thing to see is someone crippled by a potentially preventable disease while they are young which keeps them from doing simple daily activities and on multiple medications
* I was 215 lbs in college and thought I was big and had muscles….now at a much leaner and defined 185lbs I know I was more fat than muscles back then
* I can still keep up with the 21 yr old hockey players…..I just am a little more sore the next day now….
* Mountain biking is fun….snapping off my derailer and making it a single speed is even more fun
* The smartest trainer I know does not have a website or best selling ebook….as he is too busy training real clients
* Apple Cider Vinegar is the only medicine I take if I feel sick
* I can go up and down up to 10lbs in a week depending on glycogen and water balance
* The first big amount of lbs you lose in the first week dieting is mostly water
* If you want to get better at running….you run…..at biking…you bike…….at a sport…you play that sport
* I know a professional athlete making millions and a star on his team…yet he can’t do a pullup…but he doesn’t need to
* There is no one right way for anything…..as 20 different ways can get you results…
* 80/20 rule is so true…..80% of your results come from just 20% of the exercises, 20% of the food in supermarkets, and spending 20% of your time working out.
* Results are just the simple yet important things done on a consistent basis
* Losing more than 2lbs a week is probably not all fat
* Gaining more than 2lbs a week is probably not all muscle
* All diets fail over the long run….but lifestyle changes last
* All diets books are saying the same thing in general…they just make a new way to present it
* Bill Phillips was a marketing genius
* There is nothing new in health and fitness…..just ideas that resurface that are long forgotten
* Fads are created to sell more specialized equipment/gear, lifting/throwing something heavy and running fast has been around for 100s of years and still works
* Want a strong “core”? Lift something heavy over your head and walk around trying to stabilize it…the motivation to not drop it on your head will work wonders
* There should be a law against selling any dumbbells less than 5lbs….or ones in neon colors
* If your trainer can not get you to lose weight, fire him/her. You are not paying for his/her company or excuses….go find someone who can deliver or knows how to get results
* Squatting to parallel will only give you weak hamstrings and lead to more knee issues….you should be able to go down like you were going to pick something off the ground….as that is the reason our bodies were designed to squat
* The best thing anyone can do for their health/results is to just try new things…see how their body adapts and responds…and learn how to take total control no matter life may throw at them in the future
* Blogging is more effort than I would ever imagine….but I enjoy sharing what I know
* If you like what I write…the best thing you can do is help spread the word…so others can start improving their health and fitness too

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Some things I agree with, many other items are either his opinions, attempts at humor or just incorrect. I would recommend he stick to the facts or specfics about works for him, if he wants to be taken seriously.

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I agree with most of the stuff. Some things I do that he clearly disagrees with, like the whey protein. I think it's clearly opinion though.

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I agree with much of it, but much of it is just common sense. Maybe that's what's lacking in people's exercise regimens, though.

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Common sense is what is lacking in most people's lives, period!

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I find a lot of conflicting information in fitness and nutrition. Fads come and go, people cite this study and that. "Do eat eggs, no wait dont! Only the whites! No no, yolks are good for you. Dont eat any fat! Make sure you get enough fats. Carbs are the devil! No they arent! Well only some of them! Eat 6 small meals a day! Actually it doesnt matter how many times you eat..."

There was a time not too long ago that people thought, essentially, that muscles will kill you. Shorten your life span.

Pretty crazy stuff, so the basic common sense stuff is worth trying to find.

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You are certainly right about all the fads. The thing that I believe is the easiest and has the highest probability of being correct is this simple concept.

Keep it as natural and unprocessed as possible/practical.

Using that logic, a good lean steak probably is healthier than whey protein.


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Except protein in steak does not have fast transport properties that whey protein does. You can eat all the protein from steaks you want, but your body will suffer if you are under intense training programs. Your recovery times are going to be greater, you will put your body under much more duress if you attempt the same training regiment without augmenting it with whey. You will either see worse results because you simply will not be able to perform as well or you will injure yourself.

The fact is, whey protein is most studied and well-known sports nutritional supplement.

I don't understand the whole concept with "natural" foods. All foods are natural. Foods are all made up of chemical compounds. There's no such thing as something which is "artificial" because humans are just a bunch of chemical compounds carrying out a multitude of reactions. All our physical movements, thoughts etc. are activities which can be described as such. No different than wild plants growing in a field.

That said, there are things that are clearly bad to eat, but they don't fall neatly along some delineated line of "processed" or "natural". Were that the case, modern medicine would be bunk and shamanistic, pagan or "earth" medicine would be all we used.

A better argument for eating whole foods that aren't "processed" is that they tend to taste better and require less preparation.

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The argument against 'natural' vs 'processed' lies in the number of abnormal chemicals that we have no direct metabolic pathway to deal with.

The more natural a food is, the easier our bodies metabolize it.

That said, one of my pharmacology books has an interesting discussion that fits in with your argument, about hormone supplements. Currently, estrogen collected from horses is considered natural, while synthetic human estrogen is not. But if you think about it, human's using horse estrogen is the less natural of the two options.....

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I'm speaking in terms of chemistry and physics, not pharmacology and biochemistry.

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Rafael wrote:
I'm speaking in terms of chemistry and physics, not pharmacology and biochemistry.


That is the weirdest statement I've ever heard.

How can you be speaking in terms of one, but not the other?

Biochemistry is just the direct application of basic chemical principles to biological systems, and pharmacology is the direct study of the effects of chemicals on biological systems.

Your statement makes no sense.

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Except protein in steak does not have fast transport properties that whey protein does. You can eat all the protein from steaks you want, but your body will suffer if you are under intense training programs. Your recovery times are going to be greater, you will put your body under much more duress if you attempt the same training regiment without augmenting it with whey. You will either see worse results because you simply will not be able to perform as well or you will injure yourself.


I agree with most of that. Whey will be broken down faster and mixed with a bit of dextrose or glucose (sugar) it will shuttle the nutrients to your muscles faster. That said, for the typical casual athlete, they wont need that. If you do work out intensely though, it can give you an edge... or so I read.

As for processed or not, I am a fan of whole natural foods. I'm not into the scientific buzzwords they add into things, now a days it's DHA/EPA fish oil fats. I'm also not a fan of the processing and preservatives added that are needed to keep food from spoiling. I get why it's done, I dont think it's some vast conspiracy, but I do think clean whole foods are the way to go. Keep to the edges of the supermarket. Fresh produce and meats, whole grains. No trans fats, no high fructose corn syrup, no partially hydrogenated oils. No "low fat" or "fat free" crap, they are guaranteed to be loaded with sugar. I prefer whole milk, normal every day butter as opposed to margarine or some substitute. Try not to eat too much sugar. Try to eat plenty of veggies (broccoli, spinach, asparagus, etc), lean protein (fish, beef, poultry, cottage cheese, etc) and good fats (nuts, oils, avocado etc).

Here's a nice short list of good foods:

http://www.menshealth.com/men/nutrition ... 10cfe793cd

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NephyrS wrote:
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I'm speaking in terms of chemistry and physics, not pharmacology and biochemistry.


That is the weirdest statement I've ever heard.

How can you be speaking in terms of one, but not the other?

Biochemistry is just the direct application of basic chemical principles to biological systems, and pharmacology is the direct study of the effects of chemicals on biological systems.

Your statement makes no sense.


It makes perfect sense in the hierarchy of knowledges:

Basic Axioms of Logic -> Math -> Physics -> Chemistry etc.

There is no differentiation between chemical systems based on organic or biological chemistry hierarchical organizations because chemistry doesn't deal with those organizations. If it did, there would be no need for organic chemistry or biochemistry because they would simply be chemistry.

In chemistry, I can look at things without a concern of the biochemical ramifications because chemistry itself doesn't concern itself with those matters. It can be used to concern itself with those matters but that is not the same thing. You wouldn't say Math answers questions about biochemical matters, yet it is most certainly used in such matters.

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Dash wrote:
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Except protein in steak does not have fast transport properties that whey protein does. You can eat all the protein from steaks you want, but your body will suffer if you are under intense training programs. Your recovery times are going to be greater, you will put your body under much more duress if you attempt the same training regiment without augmenting it with whey. You will either see worse results because you simply will not be able to perform as well or you will injure yourself.


I agree with most of that. Whey will be broken down faster and mixed with a bit of dextrose or glucose (sugar) it will shuttle the nutrients to your muscles faster. That said, for the typical casual athlete, they wont need that. If you do work out intensely though, it can give you an edge... or so I read.

As for processed or not, I am a fan of whole natural foods. I'm not into the scientific buzzwords they add into things, now a days it's DHA/EPA fish oil fats. I'm also not a fan of the processing and preservatives added that are needed to keep food from spoiling. I get why it's done, I dont think it's some vast conspiracy, but I do think clean whole foods are the way to go. Keep to the edges of the supermarket. Fresh produce and meats, whole grains. No trans fats, no high fructose corn syrup, no partially hydrogenated oils. No "low fat" or "fat free" crap, they are guaranteed to be loaded with sugar. I prefer whole milk, normal every day butter as opposed to margarine or some substitute. Try not to eat too much sugar. Try to eat plenty of veggies (broccoli, spinach, asparagus, etc), lean protein (fish, beef, poultry, cottage cheese, etc) and good fats (nuts, oils, avocado etc).

Here's a nice short list of good foods:

http://www.menshealth.com/men/nutrition ... 10cfe793cd


Dash, I basically follow the same principles. The problem I've encountered is that the origin of cereals, meats, poultry, fish, produce and fruits tend to vary widely. Some of the packaged stuff is better quality than local butchers, it just seems to vary greatly. It's almost impossible to avoid eating something processed or preserved unless you are wealthy or have time to devote to just shopping.

For me, the time between work and actually exercising, I find it worthwhile to sacrifice some what I eat for time spent to exercise.

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That's the biggest problem, the time involved. And yeah that's why they added the preservatives and stuff, so you dont have to go to the supermarket twice a week, which is a definite pain in the ***. I certainly dont go twice a week, or even once a week. But i do stop in to get my essentials fairly often.

And oh yes, it's more expensive to eat "right". But you do what you can.

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Rafael wrote:
NephyrS wrote:
Rafael wrote:
I'm speaking in terms of chemistry and physics, not pharmacology and biochemistry.


That is the weirdest statement I've ever heard.

How can you be speaking in terms of one, but not the other?

Biochemistry is just the direct application of basic chemical principles to biological systems, and pharmacology is the direct study of the effects of chemicals on biological systems.

Your statement makes no sense.


It makes perfect sense in the hierarchy of knowledges:

Basic Axioms of Logic -> Math -> Physics -> Chemistry etc.

In chemistry, I can look at things without a concern of the biochemical ramifications because chemistry itself doesn't concern itself with those matters. It can be used to concern itself with those matters but that is not the same thing. You wouldn't say Math answers questions about biochemical matters, yet it is most certainly used in such matters.


If you specify Chemistry, you are specifying the general field, which as such, has no direct ramifications on nutrition.

If you specify Chemistry in the context of nutrition, then you are by nature specifying the subfields of biochemistry and pharmacology.

Saying you are talking about the chemistry of the body (see your first post) is the same as saying you are talking about Biochemistry. That is why biochemistry is considered a chemistry degree at most institutions, and any organic chemist or inorganic or physical chemist that does work relating to biological processes has "bio" appended to their field- bioorganic, bioinorganic, biophysical.

And if you use math in the discussion of biological systems, say nutrition, then you are discussing biological mathematics- as many of the biomath research programs do.

So basically, if you say we are simply made of chemicals and chemical reactions, you are definitely discussing biochemistry- the application of chemistry to biological systems.

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There is no differentiation between chemical systems based on organic or biological chemistry hierarchical organizations because chemistry doesn't deal with those organizations. If it did, there would be no need for organic chemistry or biochemistry because they would simply be chemistry.


And that, right there, is my point. Chemistry is Chemistry- you can't say talking about biochemistry or pharmacology is not talking about chemistry.

And basically, chemistry is chemistry. You don't get a PhD in organic chemistry, you get it in chemistry. Ditto with a BS.

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I find your post to be shallow and pedantic.

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I find your post to be shallow and pedantic.


::edit:: I'm not going there. But seriously, how does this type of comment fly outside of hellfire?

I make a comment about my opinions from a perspective that you decide to term irrelevant due to the way you want to subdivide my field of study, and when I comment on your dismissal you move to (barely) veiled insults?

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It was a reference to Family Guy.

Lighten up.

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Lets see:

Dismiss my first post as irrelevant, and then my second as shallow and pedantic. Yeah, I need to lighten up.

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It's a direct quote. Well, not the "post" part, obviously. So yeah. Lighten the **** up. Furthermore, I didn't address it as "irrelevant". I addressed it with my own opinion.

As for the argument about "natural" vs. "processed" - true in manufacture of packaged foods there becomes lots unwanted secondary "contaminants" from use of fertilizer, growth hormones or steroids (as the case may be), and of course additives to help the food survive the packaging process and shelf duration.

However, you could rightfully argue that irrigated crops are grown "unnaturally". Both in the strict operating definition and from a practical perspective: irrigation water often contains contaminants that result from water being carried in metal piping and the resulting oxidation reduction reactions that occur as a result of most cheap irrigation piping being built out of mild carbon steels. Newer plastic piping systems have their problems as well. Stored water is obviously also restricted by these limitations. And these contaminants, even in trace levels, can be bad for humans just as inevitably present secondary byproducts or substances added intentionally during packaging.

So you couldn't even call this food "natural", not by our working definition nor from a strictly practical perspective. So in all senses of the word, we cannot have completely natural food; well, I suppose wild blueberries and some things like that might qualify, but nearly all food are touched by the agricultural/harvesting, transportation and market process in some way which you could call "detrimental", "unnatural" and "unhealthy" in some way.

That is my problem with the whole "natural" foods movement.

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It was a reference to Family Guy.

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Alright Nehpyr, you make some salient points, but I still stand all things considered, even from a biochemical perspective (given the processes agriculture induces on our crops) and from a semantic stantpoint.

However, I will apologize for being a dickhead. The quote really was a reference to Family Guy, though.

I'm sorry.

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It's cool. I don't watch Family Guy, so I wouldn't know.

And I wasn't disagreeing with you about the natural v. unnatural- hence my point about synthetic human hormones vs 'natural' horse ones. In the sense that the FDA defines supplements, the horse hormones are natural, and the synthetic human hormones are non-natural. However, if you think about it logically, it is very unnatural for us to use horse hormones, as they are not a natural additive to our system.

As for contaminants in crop water, etc- it is a valid argument that we have 'non-natural' additions in food grown via irrigation, and even in food grown with any fertilizers, pesticides, etc.

Most arguments that I have heard would follow this breakdown: If the chemical is found produced somewhere in nature, it is 'natural', otherwise, it is synthetic.

A natural pesticide would be a substance that is toxic to insects, but that was isolated from a plant or animal somewhere. An unnatural pesticide may have a similar framework, but is not one that was found in nature and then mimicked, but rather was created de novo in a lab somewhere.

While it's a poor argument to assume that the human body can metabolize every chemical found naturally produced in some plant or animal, it makes sense to assume that we cannot process chemicals that are not found in nature.

I think, as in all discussions, when discussing natural v. synthetic, it is important to delineate the arguments- are we talking about the method of synthesis, it's propensity to have been found in a primate/early human diet, etc.

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