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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:39 am 
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Nice to see this kind of transparency change happening.

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Government Stops Shielding Corporate Breach ‘Victims’
By Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter March 30, 2010 | 1:17 pm | Categories: Breaches, Cover-Ups

For the past few months, national retailer J.C. Penney has been fighting an under-seal court battle to keep you from knowing that its payment card network was breached by U.S. and Eastern European hackers.

The intrusions, by TJX hacker Albert Gonzalez and his overseas accomplices, occurred beginning in October 2007. J.C. Penney admits it was “wholly unaware” of the breach until the Secret Service told the company about it in May 2008, but now says with certitude that no identity or bank-card data was stolen in the breach it failed to detect. That’s why the company didn’t want to be identified to the public, says spokeswoman Darcie Brossart

“Because there was no reason to think that the hackers were successful, there was no need to alarm J.C. Penney customers,” says Brossart, “We believed we had a legitimate interest in not being linked to criminal activity that resulted in major thefts from other companies.”

So in court filings, J.C. Penney argued that it was entitled to anonymity under the 2004 Crime Victims’ Rights Act, a law intended to protect the “dignity and privacy” of victims. A federal judge on Friday ordered the company’s identity unsealed anyway, as well as that of a second breached company, clothing retailer Wet Seal.

It’s a familiar story. Companies have never been eager to have their security slip-ups revealed to consumers. What was different, and remarkable, this time around is that an assistant U.S. attorney argued that J.C. Penney and Wet Seal should be identified. The lead prosecutor in the largest identity-theft hacks in U.S. history argued for disclosure.


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It’s a bit jarring to see a lucid pro-transparency, pro-security argument from a federal prosecutor. For years, law enforcement has had an informal policy of protecting companies from the public relations consequences of their poor security — a kind of omerta among intruders, the companies they hack and the feds, where only the public is left in the dark. To be sure, it’s never been set in stone, and not all feds have played ball. But it’s a common practice, and it corrodes accountability.


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I get the impression in your choice of words you are attempting to link this decision by a federal judge with Obama's promise of a more transparent government?


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Ladas wrote:
I get the impression in your choice of words you are attempting to link this decision by a federal judge with Obama's promise of a more transparent government?


Not necessarily. I don't have enough information to know if there is any correlation or not. I could equally see it as being the independant act of a judge or a judge changing their actions due to internal memos pushing for more transparency.

In the end, I'm just pleased to see this happening and hope that we see more of it across the government.


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I'd really prefer he get on the transparency in Government. Oh hell, how about just start with not lying; that would be change I could believe in.

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Aizle wrote:
Ladas wrote:
I get the impression in your choice of words you are attempting to link this decision by a federal judge with Obama's promise of a more transparent government?


or a judge changing their actions due to internal memos pushing for more transparency.




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Sounds like a good thing, but I fail to see how the executive should take credit for it

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Aizle wrote:
I could equally see it as being the independant act of a judge or a judge changing their actions due to internal memos pushing for more transparency.


You are aware that judges are not part of the executive branch and therefore any call for "openness" by Obama doesn't apply to them? And that he therefore deserves no credit if they are more open nor any blame if they aren't?

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In the end, I'm just pleased to see this happening and hope that we see more of it across the government.


More openness about the situations of private companies?

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I'm really trying to figure out how this is about government transparency. It seems to be it's about forced disclosure of sensitive information: i.e. material regulation of paper industries.

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Aizle wrote:
Ladas wrote:
I get the impression in your choice of words you are attempting to link this decision by a federal judge with Obama's promise of a more transparent government?



Not necessarily. I don't have enough information to know if there is any correlation or not. I could equally see it as being the independant act of a judge or a judge changing their actions due to internal memos pushing for more transparency.

In the end, I'm just pleased to see this happening and hope that we see more of it across the government.

Let me get this straight...

The definition of transparency has been changed to include sup3r-s3kr3t internal memos from the executive to the judicial for the purposes of making back-door law and policy changes?

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Khross:

It's not about government transparency, per se. This particular case is more about the government not making it easy for businesses to hide information that arguably should be public information and used to make informed decisions about ones association to that company.

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Aizle:

Should the executive have any ability to influence judicial policy?

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Aizle wrote:
Rynar,

Put your tinfoil hat back on.


How about shut the **** up?

You don't get to wash away your assertions, espescially ones that blatant, by talking about tin foil hats.

Did you or did you not make mention of the possibility of back channel memos between the executive and the judicial for the purposes of influencing policy or law change, and then reflect upon that possibility as a possitive example of government transparency?

Orwell, are you in there?

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Khross wrote:
Aizle:

Should the executive have any ability to influence judicial policy?


I guess it depends on what you mean by influence.

In reality, each branch has the ability and does influence each other branch. I'm not sure that's all together bad, as each of them has to work together to govern the country. That said, there should be autonomy so that if necessariy or prudent each branch can act independently.


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Rynar wrote:
Aizle wrote:
Rynar,

Put your tinfoil hat back on.


How about shut the **** up?

You don't get to wash away your assertions, espescially ones that blatant, by talking about tin foil hats.

Did you or did you not make mention of the possibility of back channel memos between the executive and the judicial for the purposes of influencing policy or law change, and then reflect upon that possibility as a possitive example of government transparency?

Orwell, are you in there?


He's talking about the memo Obama issued to executive agencies requiring greater openness in replying to FOIA requests. See my post above; he evidently forgot that such memos don't apply to the judiciary.

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Diamondeye wrote:
Rynar wrote:
Aizle wrote:
Rynar,

Put your tinfoil hat back on.


How about shut the **** up?

You don't get to wash away your assertions, espescially ones that blatant, by talking about tin foil hats.

Did you or did you not make mention of the possibility of back channel memos between the executive and the judicial for the purposes of influencing policy or law change, and then reflect upon that possibility as a possitive example of government transparency?

Orwell, are you in there?


He's talking about the memo Obama issued to executive agencies requiring greater openness in replying to FOIA requests. See my post above; he evidently forgot that such memos don't apply to the judiciary.


I gathered that was where his idea came from, the way he approachd them is what bothered me.

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Rynar wrote:
I gathered that was where his idea came from, the way he approachd them is what bothered me.


I think you may be reading a little too much Orwellianism into his unclear wording.

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Rynar wrote:
Aizle wrote:
Rynar,

Put your tinfoil hat back on.


How about shut the **** up?

Orwell, are you in there?


Heh.


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