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darksiege

Post subject: Re: Does racism still exist?

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:05 pm

Grrr... Eat your oatmeal!!

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Obligatory...

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As for my opinion here. Regardless of intent to do so, or regardless of what a person considers for themselves to be "racist" everyone is just a little bit. Anything from locking your car doors, or making sure they are locked in certain areas of town, to silently thinking "there's a surprise" when your bus boy at a restaurant is mexican. Expecting someone who is Asian to have an accent; it all comes from putting some faith into a seterotype. Even down to comedians like Ralphie May (I got a bit o' black in me. I didn't get that big dick though...got bad credit. Ain't that a *****?).

No one gets pissed at some of them, but they do at others. Assume a black person is a criminal and you are a racist, assume a black male has a wang the size of a baby's arm.. and it is okay? People really just like to pick and choose which stereotypes they get to be offended by. Accuse someone from the South is an inbred hick and it is all bad, accuse them of having true southern hospitality and it is all good.

And it does not seem to apply to everyone. No one seems to get pissed at the generalization that the Irish tend to drink a bit too much.

Racism is very much alive and well. The real joke is when people make up excuses for why it is okay to favor a minority group and put down a group that was considered the majority and say it is not racist.

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Lydiaa

Post subject: Re: Does racism still exist?

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:37 pm

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Sounds like you lived the plot of Gran Torino!

my family dynamic makes me... complicated hehe

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I dunno Lyd, it seems pretty straightforward to me: Get a job amd work it every day until you've saved some money...

It might be easy to some, where common sense is usually beat into them from a young age and an allowence is earnt through doing little work around the home. It's not as easy to those who've always had free hand outs given to them by the "think of the children" crowd and know deep in their hearts that sitting on their butts works just as well.

to some an untested life is not worth living, to others being tested is been prejudiced against. Until you take away the life support keeping that sort of idea alive, laziness will always be favoured by the lazy.

DS, while Racism could lead to sterotyping, sterotyping doesnt always lead to racism. Racism exsist cause race exsist... so unless race no longer exsist, there will always be racism... People really need to get over the knee jerk omgwtfbbq reaction and get on with their lives.

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Talya

Post subject: Re: Does racism still exist?

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:10 pm

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Lydiaa wrote:

Racism exsist cause race exsist... so unless race no longer exsist, there will always be racism...

Would it be racist to point out this looks suspiciously like Chinglish?

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darksiege

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:12 pm

Grrr... Eat your oatmeal!!

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Lydiaa wrote:

Racism exsist cause race exsist... so unless race no longer exsist, there will always be racism...

Essentially backing up my feelings? While any life exists, hate will be present. So the only way to really get around the whole thing is for all of humanity to go the way of the dodo...

I can get behind that.

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Lydiaa

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:32 pm

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sorry i was compiling my hello kitty thread at the same time... I apologise for the asian-ness and promise to go on the beer and BBQ detox as soon as I am able >.<

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Müs

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:51 pm

I got nothin.

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Lydiaa wrote:

sorry i was compiling my hello kitty thread at the same time... I apologise for the asian-ness and promise to go on the beer and BBQ detox as soon as I am able >.<

Throw another shrimp on the barbie while you're at it. I'd hate to think you were coming the raw prawn with us.

G'Day!

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Rynar

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:39 pm

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Lydiaa wrote:

I apologise for the asian-ness

What, did you wreck your car?

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Lydiaa

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:53 pm

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pfft i could drive with one eye closed, one hand behind my back and one foot out the window~

I'm an asian kid... we're the pinnicle of human driving awesomeness =P (not to be confused with asian mums)

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Rynar

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:06 pm

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pfft i could drive with one eye closed, one hand behind my back and one foot out the window~

This would explain it...

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RangerDave

Post subject: Re: Does racism still exist?

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:56 pm

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Here's why I'm very skeptical of claims that white racism (shorthand for "white people having racist attitudes") is a rare and/or minor problem today: because it was a common and major problem not that long ago. For people in their 20s and 30s (most of us on this board, I believe), explicit racism has pretty much always been socially unacceptable, but not so for our parents' generation. The generation that raised us was itself raised during the bitter and often violent death throes of Jim Crow in the south and de facto segregation in the north. So, given that a sizable portion of our parents' generation was undeniably steeped in openly racist attitudes, how likely is it that those bigotries simply disappeared and were not passed down to our own generation in one form or another?

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Micheal

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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:04 am

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Lydiaa wrote:

So, you have a kid and lose your driving skills?

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Micheal

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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:08 am

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I was raised in California by two liberal democrats with a huge interest in civil rights. Racism was discussed and the evils of it explained to us when we were very young.

When I was fresh out of high school and looking for a job to pay for college, I could not be hired by a trade union as an apprentice because I am white and the quotas had to be filled. Hiring white apprentices was forbidden for almost three years.

Trust me, the lessons of my youth were sorely tested at that time.

No, I don't consider myself racist at all. I do question the fairness of the quota systems though.

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Khross

Post subject: Re: Does racism still exist?

Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:59 am

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Four generations of Americans have been born since the Civil Rights Act was passed, RangerDave.

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Taskiss

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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:09 am

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As soon as a child begins to develop cognitive abilities, the unknown becomes an instinctive threat. Fear of the dark is a prime example of that.

Racism is based on fear of the unknown. Kids see their parents, see themselves in the mirror and make connections. Of course, there are differences in the intensity of the reaction, but it's always there.

That's why clowns are evil. They're a deviation of the expected in human form and it threatens the human sense of self identity. The people in Easter Bunny outfits, Mickey Mouse at Disneyland, etc, these images threaten the sense of self. There are TONS of kids every day terrified out of their wits by these images. Adults usually just laugh, and kids get conditioned to accept the images. Kinda cruel, when you think about it, but encouraging kids to have those reactions by coddling them is kinda cruel too. Humans are pretty funny when you think about it...

Some kids are more prepared than others to deal with the unexpected, either through experience or natural abilities, but "OH ****! RUN! It's something unexpected!" is a survival behavior that has proven to be successful, and natural selection has favored those behaviors and those without such instincts were taken out of the gene pool.

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Rynar

Post subject: Re: Does racism still exist?

Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:22 am

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If our government stopped institutionalizing racism, and if politicians stopped weaponizing race in general, only the ghosts of racism would exist in another two or three generations. The old social stigmas of the 50's and 60's are nearly gone. Little white kids are engrossed in black culture. We all share the same drinking fountains. The clan doesn't wield any power, and the men and women who violently drove the wedge are almost completely dead and gone.

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Khross

Post subject: Re: Does racism still exist?

Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:25 am

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I just wish liberals would read actual sociological histories of racism in the North American Colonies and United States.

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Taskiss

Post subject: Re: Does racism still exist?

Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:26 am

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Khross wrote:

I just wish liberals would read actual sociological histories of racism in the North American Colonies and United States.

You never explained the point you were trying to make with the Boulder County, CO reference.

Inquiring minds want to know!

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Khross

Post subject: Re: Does racism still exist?

Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:33 am

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Boulder County, Colorado has a disproportionately high average education and average income level compared to the rest of the U.S. It's used as an example that universal access to college degrees would increase everyone's quality of life and more rapidly transition the U.S. towards the social democratic utopian agenda. You guys pointed out some of the flaws: total minority population is ridiculous low, as actual residents of Boulder County are predominantly white. The data and examples get skewed, also, because Boulder County wasn't all that developed until urban exodus began in the 1950s and 1960s. Liberal sociologists see 1 or 2 data points they really like and begin obscuring or glossing others because want they want to believe substantiates itself if they ignore competing data. By the by, if you cull the college students from the county's population, household income goes up significantly.

But, the homogeneity is far more than race, social class, economic status, and politics in Boulder County. You talk to most people and they're interchangeable. It's not quite as diverse as anyone thinks. They work the same kinds of jobs for the same kinds of people and make the same kinds of money.

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Aizle

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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:07 am

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Interesting how even tho it's apparently some hallmark example of utopia used by liberals, your post is the very first time that I've ever heard about it.

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Khross

Post subject: Re: Does racism still exist?

Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:17 am

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Aizle:

That's because you don't read academic journals on sociology and behavioral science.

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Facism is not a school of thought, it is a racial slur.

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Screeling

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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:45 am

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FarSky wrote:

Müs wrote:

Screeling wrote:

That race is Gay all the way. I mean, look at him. He's ahead of everybody.

Of course he is. Noone wants to catch the Gay.

Thread over. Flawless victory.

Do I get points for the assist?

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Aizle

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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:45 am

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Khross:

Fair enough. I'm just surprised that it hasn't been picked up by the media.

My comments have been purely driven by my own observations. Examples of racism or lack that I've actually personally observed in various parts of the country. Certainly not scientific by any stretch, but valid as to whether racism is completely gone or not.

I mentioned above that my father in-law probably falls into the ignorance racism camp. He's only been exposed to negative stereotypes and he's your typical old rural farmer. To his credit, when his grand daughter had a mixed race child he behaved himself and has started to come around.

I once had a co-worker down in Dallas comment on an Indian man in a business suit who was wearing a turban by saying, "there's a raghead terrorist." When I didn't immediately laugh, he quickly backpeddled trying to play it off. I honestly didn't really get to know him well enough to know if that was ignorance or hatred, but it was pretty obvious it wasn't based on a socio-economic basis.

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Screeling

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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:47 am

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Lydiaa wrote:

pfft i could drive with one eye closed, one hand behind my back and one foot out the window~

I wouldn't advise wearing a skirt when you do this.

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RangerDave

Post subject: Re: Does racism still exist?

Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:07 am

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Khross wrote:

Four generations of Americans have been born since the Civil Rights Act was passed, RangerDave.

That's true in the sense of "cultural generations" (late Baby Boomers > Gen X > Gen Y > whatever we're calling people born in the last couple of years), but in terms of ordinary familial generations (average of roughly 25 years in the US), we're only one step removed from folks born in the Civil Rights era. It's only been 46 years since the Civil Rights Act was passed, so like I said, for many of us in our mid-20s or early-30s today, our parents and/or their contemporaries were raised in the racial tumult of the 1960s.

The point is, it's easy and convenient to think of the "real" racism from that era as ancient history, but it's really not. Basically, anyone over the age of 45 today (i.e. a huge chunk of the country) was raised either during or in the immediate aftermath of the complete racial upheaval of the Civil Rights era.

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Arathain Kelvar

Post subject: Re: Does racism still exist?

Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:21 am

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Khross wrote:

Arathain:

You're only saying that because you're a racist.

True.

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