The Glade 4.0

James Madison.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Oooo, burn.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

He's dead. He isn't making any claims about usurpation.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

He made it before he died. It's fairly well documented.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

His claims about usurpation in general don't tell us anything about whether any particular case is or isn't usurpation.

Even if they did, it's only be his opinion anyhow. That WOULD be an appeal to authority.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Incorrect. Citing Marbury's would be, however. And he's dead to.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

No, I'm pretty much correct.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

For it to be an appeal to authority, Madison would have to not be the legitimate authoritative source in the document in question, and also the other documnts surrounding the creation of that document. Instead, he is, so I am not being falacious.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Not if the only question were "what's Madison's opinion". Then you wouldn't be. However, Madison has no authority to define the answer to what is or isn't usurpation, so appealing to what he wrote is falacious.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Madison has every authority. While the document was created by many, he had one of the larger hands in that creation, and an even larger hand in those surrounding documents used to inform the populace about the document in question.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

That grants him no authority. It only matters what was actually written there, and it contains no definition of "usurpation", nor does it refer us to any other document written by Madison or anyone else.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

What does the word usurpation mean?

Was the Consititution written in a vacuum?

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I hear Iraq needs a new Constitution... while ours is not quite new, it was written by some pretty smart men, and since we aren't using it anymore, perhaps they can have it?

That's not the issue at hand. What's the issue at hand is how it is decided whether any given act is, in fact, usurpation. Assuming that there is some crime of "usurpation" that could be charged, the fact remains that if any given action could easily be classified as a violation or not a violation of law merely by looking at definitions, we would not have courts. We would simply consult a dictionary and call it a trial.



Irrelevant. The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land and does not indicate any other document to be consulted to understand it. Attempting to add the private writings of those who happened to be involved in creating it is simply attempting to ammend the Constitution by fiat.

In any case, you're dragging this way off the issue. It was pointed out that it is not an appeal to authority to refer to authority when they actually decide the answer to the question.. yet mysteriously you're now appealing to authority that you claim Madison has for no reason besides that you say so.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

That is perhaps the single most troubling passage in the entirety of the document.

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It is relevant because mine is not an appeal to authority as you claim, and since you inaccuratly made an issue of it you have forced us here.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Yours is an appeal to authority.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

While I understand that you are both disagreeing, I enjoyed the discourse.

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Hokanu
Duty is a magnificent blessing because it is the sign of trust from the universe.
END OF LINE.

Apparently NPR has joined the ranks of the birthers:

Story here:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=138293

Relevant picture here:


Good stuff.

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The Dude abides.