The Glade 4.0

There was much that could be said about the rest of your post, but this deserves special consideration: Do you fail to see the lunacy of a man who claims to know Christ telling another man who claims to know Christ to stop quoting the words of Christ? Should any Christian respect a man who would do that?

I think the advice I gave LadyKate is appropriate in this situation:

Stop worrying about who is more Christian and try to be more Christ-like.

Yes, they should when the person quoting them is using them to make the tacit claim of having the knowledge, ability, and authority to judge the hearts of other men. Perhaps you missed in the "parable of the tares" where Christ admonished even the angels for the folly of thinking that they could discern who was wheat and who was weeds. You presume overly much of yourself, Beryllin.

But you know, I'm actually kind of glad that someone or something finally got you to openly admit that you think some (heck, maybe all...) of us are false Christians. Good for you! Well, no, not really. But in a weird sort of way, this is actually a huge step forward for you in the honesty department. And it's refreshing change from having you merely insinuate it every chance you get.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

You goaded everyone with your "have we learned anything useful today?" remarks, you goaded Vindicarre against DE, and you started all this by goading non-Christians all the way back to the 3rd post in the other thread...and THAT wasn't enough so you started another thread. Still, you can't goad me 'cause I know you and I see what you're doing. I SEE you, you bastard!

You planned this ... it's your baby... and it's evil. You've done it before and now you've done it again. Now you're playing the "holier than thou" game... which is what you wanted all along. Not a celebration of sacrifice but a celebration of Bery. You **** all over a celebration of sacrifice. So sorry, no, I'm not worshiping at your debased altar.

And by their works they will be known, you son of a *****. By their fruits you will know them. This is all on your doorstep.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Yes.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

There is only a "tacit claim" because you and others here ignore what I say and read what you want me to have said. I've said it many times in the past and it keeps getting ignored, so I'll shout it at you and maybe somewhere you'll actually read what I say. ONLY GOD CAN TELL WHAT IS IN A MAN'S HEART! I CAN NOT AND DO NOT JUDGE THAT! If I see something said or done that raises a question, I point it out, but ONLY GOD CAN TELL WHAT IS IN A MAN'S HEART!

I quote that particular Scripture because it serves as a warning to ALL of us (ALL includes me) that we need to be sure. We need to examine ourselves. There are warnings in the NT that we need to make sure do not apply to us. (us includes me). Warnings such as there will come a time when men will not endure sound doctrine, and as far as I can tell that applies to some here on this board, so I bring it up in hope that, if that particular shoe fits, they will see it and repent. BUT ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE THAT.

I am not going to be surprised if some here still read what they want to read, even though I shouted it. Not surprised at all.

and



are kinda umm.. contradicting?

For a guy that says he takes the blame, you're sure confused about what contrition looks like.

Wake me when you come to the part where you act like you're splitting the curtain. I LOVE that scene!

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Not a contradiction at all, Lydiaa, since I said that when I see something that raises questions I point it out. DE has said things that make me wonder, so I point it out, but only God can know the truth of what's in his heart, I cannot judge that. Pointing to what appears to be evidence contrary to what he claims is not the same as judging him or what's in his heart. Only God can do that.

Bery, I love that you are not afraid to talk about your faith. That's awesome. I have seen you in quite a few debates where you stood up for what you believed in, unwavering, and that is a good thing. Matthew 10:32 comes to mind.
However, there comes a point when you have to know when to stop. I think we are at that point. Not stop permanently, but just in this line of conversation today. I have a great deal of respect for someone who stands up for what they believe in, but you and I both know that this has become a fight with no end in sight and no purpose. This thread is not glorifying Jesus in any way, shape, or form...and that is very sad considering that is who we are supposedly discussing.
I get the feeling Bery that there is more going on than just this conversation today. If you have something on your mind, feel free to PM me. People don't just ask to be banned from their friends for no reason.
*hugs*

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Again I say it's in the execution which you lack. By claiming someone is acting 'un-christian' or questioning their well thought out response, you are by default judging. When you point something out, you have to first judge it to be different to what you think...

When the bible says red is a evil colour, how do you know what you see as red is the same as what others see as red... it's all part of perception and judgement.

I think once you come to terms with the fact that religion should only be between the person and their god, you'd appear a lot less zealous in your actions.

Sorry, but I disagree. I don't consider that to be judging. I've had people in my life who have pointed out to me when I was off the mark and urged me to examine where I was in my walk, and I didn't feel judged. On the contrary, I felt loved, because they cared enough to see where I was and point me in the right direction, urging me to examine myself. There is no doubt I could use some tact to temper my zealousness, but it's no sin to be zealous for God and His word.

But when people point out that your interpretation of The Word and Scripture might be wrong, you do act judged. You claim they cannot be wrong. This truth is self-evident by the fact that you outright reject the conclusions that must be drawn were you to extrapolate their interpretations. Therefore, I find it inconsistently convenient that others cannot "judge" you, yet you can "love" them.

It seems self-righteous and self-serving as though The Scripture you wield as a weapon to further your own preconceptions.

I'm sorry if that sounds accusatory, but it's just what I've observed. I anticipate that I will be explained to me my naievte, but what I said has nothing to do with The Scripture. It has to do with observable facts.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

I'm sorry, but I'm really not understanding what you mean, here. Scripture says what it says. If you say "2+2=4" and I say "2+2=5", is it not observable that one of us is wrong? If I say "Christ said, "Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand." and someone else says, "Repentance is not important" is it not observable that one of us is wrong? If it wasn't important, why did Christ bother to tell us to repent? What is observable is that "Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand." is a Scriptural saying, while "Repentance is not important" is found nowhere in Scripture.

Scripture says what it says.

Sadly yes, I have learned that apparently references to poop and farts are much more amusing in person than over a message board.



What about a follower of Stanley the earl of insufficient light?

As far as the OT/NT argument... I see it that Jesus was the culmination of the Old Testament. And that he led us into the teachings he himself gave the world. But each persons mileage may vary. But I am also the odd one who feels that God gave us free will and free thought so we may question things, and then see if our faith still leads us back to him.

And while I am sure I have done pissed him off at times... I have still not been struck dead... so he must understand that I will **** up from time to time.

/shrug

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

I'm gonna crash; Taskiss apparently has to re-load.

Good night, y'all.

Oh, I see -- you don't judge what's in other people's hearts, you just question their salvation.

It's cute how you think that's somehow less repugnant.

It's also fantastic how you assert that anyone who doesn't espouse your precise interpretation and understanding of scripture is exhibiting "not the actions or attitudes of someone who knows Christ". Arrogance, arrogance, and more arrogance.

You say that you do these things out of love, but I say that your understanding of love has all the depth of a frisbee, the warmth of a brass bra, and the complexity of a Uwe Boll film. We're all nothing more than conquests to you. Just another "notch on the pew". I don't think you actually care about us -- you care about our salvation. And the most frustrating part of all is that I don't think you understand the difference, or its significance.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

How about I wake you up when I get to this part:

There's been lots of cursing here today, and I need to make sure I have a proper attitude about it.

Because I want to quote a piece of scripture out of context and make it the crux of an argument to prove I am cool too...


So when you tell others that they do not know Christ; you are bearing false witness AND sowing discord against your brothers (and sisters) in Christ.

Awesome.. see I can do it too.

And I would even say you border upon being guilty of:

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

After all this .......anger.... are you really happier with your actions? all you've created is more venom, more hatred, and more ill will. instead of loving your neighbor, (and allowing them to love you, you've actually created anger, hatred and resentment. How does that serve Christ? How does that lead people to him Bery? For all your claims of wanting to evangelize you're driving people AWAY from what you claim is the righteous path.

I think the BEST advertisement for a faith is not the guy standing on the soap box ranting at the sinners and screaming about hellfire and brimstone; its the quiet person working for the betterment of others who answers questions about her faith when asked, but does not try to push on others.

Isn't it amazing how many times I take Scripture out of context.... Amazing.

OR

Possibly the Scripture is inconvenient for certain folks to hear and "out of context" is the default dismissal of inconvenient Scripture. "Yeah, that's what it says but it doesn't apply to me because it was taken out of context."....

Rats, still haven't managed to get to bed.

truth be told, Bery.. I like me more than I like you, so I am going to continue to see it my way.

I was initially in agreement with you on the subject of your easter thread being hijacked, but I have lost that sympathy and will go cry in a corner because I feel that TheRiov* has said what I felt better than I could have said it.

*sorry dude, I had to take the potshot while I could. All meant in good fun.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Well, since

1) it seems to be directed at me.

2) it comes to me even after I apologized for my mistake (which, btw, I had forgotten about till Khross brought it up)

3) it comes to me in the form of curses even from those who claim Christ as savior,

I suppose I have to live with it, and count on God to justify me in the end.

To what end does your actions here today accomplish, Bery (the Christian)?

Bery, there's no "reload" necessary. Evil speaks through you, to me, and I reply.

You work to drive a wedge... you stir up hatred against others...

I speak to you as you deserve, you evil bastard. You've earned it and I give the devil his due. All the pages of ugly, all the hatred, all the evil you've done in this thread and going back all the way to the first post of ugly you made, years and years ago when you spewed evil at Taly...this is you, your legacy, your fruit. You deserve no less.

I figure, talk ugly to ugly, that's all you understand.

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