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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:42 pm 
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WEC - 46 January 10, 2010 - Arco Arena, - Sacramento, CA

Jamie Varner vs. Benson Henderson

Urijah Faber (No. 3 FW) vs. Raphael Assuncao (No. 5 FW)
Mike Thomas Brown (No. 2 FW, No. 8 PFP) vs. Anthony Morrison
Dave Jansen vs. Kamal Shalorus
Mackens Semerzier (No. 8 FW) vs. Deividas Taurosevicius
Akitoshi Tamura (No. 7 BW) vs. Charlie Valencia
Wagnney Fabiano (No. 9 FW) vs. Clint Godfrey
Mark Hominick vs. Bryan Caraway
Eddie Wineland (No. 10 BW) vs. George Roop
Will Campuzano vs. Coty Wheeler

UFC - UFC Fight Night 20 - January 11, 2010 - Patriot Center - Fairfax, VA

Gray Maynard (No. 6 LW) vs. Nate Diaz
Efrain Escudero vs. Evan Dunham
Aaron Simpson vs. Tom Lawlor
Amir Sadollah vs. Brad Blackburn
Chris Leben vs. Jay Silva
Rick Story vs. Jesse Lennox
Thiago Tavares vs. Nik Lentz
Rory MacDonald vs. Michael Guymon
Kyle Bradley vs. Rafael dos Anjos
Gerald Harris vs. John Salter
Nick Catone vs. Jesse Forbes

Big news is Urijah Faber's first fight back against Brazilian prospect, Raphael Assuncao and MTB is already back after his November title loss against Jose Aldo to fight Anthony Morrison. My guess is Faber takes Assuncao in a decision and Brown earns a second or third round submission after a near KO to set it up. I hope Ben beats Varner, too, but I doubt either one has much of a shot against Cerrone after seeing how bad he spanked Ratliff.

As for the UFN card, the winner of the headliner (Maynard v. Diaz) will likely get the next shot at BJ Penn. Penn has signed to fight Frankie Edgar in April at UFC 112, the first event ever in United Arab Emirates. It will be in Abu Dhabi but I'm unsure of the venue. Penn will likely fight all three of these guys within the course of this year if he stays on his current plant.

I'm also interested to see this guy, Akitoshi Tamura as well as Mackens Semerzier. Semerzier submitted Aldo's fellow featherweight Nova Unaio teammate, Wagnney Fabiano (who has moved down to 135 and fights Clint Godfrey) in his debut. Tamura was the World Shooto champion in their Lightweight division (equal to our featherweight, 145 division, not our 155) and lost his WEC debut to Wagnney Fabiano at 145 and made his 135 debut a while back with a win.

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Sherdog just released their annual awards. Jose Aldo made the Fighter of the Year which I'm very happy to see:

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Sh ... Year-22073

Jose is a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt under Andre Pederneiras who is a co-founder of Nova Uniao, the academy where BJ Penn, Wagnney Fabiano, Thales Leites and Vitor Reibero among others were annointed. He has lethal striking. Awesome for Jose.

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Haven't updated this ... here's a queasy video if you dare to watch of John Gettle (former UFC heavyweight titleholder and fighting for the interim belt in March) breaking a guy's arm with a lateral keylock (Americana). Pretty poor conduct to not give the guy the chance to tap. You can see the humerus clearly snaps; no compound fracture though.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/2/28/13 ... t#comments

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March-April has been extremely busy for those who follow the fight game. GSP successfully defend his 170# title last weekend against Dan Hardy by a completely lopsided unanimous decision in which no judge gave any round to Hardy and some even awarded some 10-8 rounds to GSP. Carwin murdered Frank Mir in the first round with one of the most brutal flurries against the cage I've ever seen after completely bullying him in the clinch.

Up and comer Jon Bones Jones who is the hottest young prospect in the game right now (maybe besides Jose Aldo, but since Aldo already took the belt, I guess he's already surpassed "prospect" level), stopped Brandon Vera in the first round with elbows from the guard, the first of which put quite a look of pain on Vera's face. Reports are Vera has a fractured skull. Bones continues to steamroll everyone he's been put against without even a slow in momentum dominating with obscene clinch control and a display of Grecko-Roman and Judo throws the likes of which the MMA world hadn't seen before him. It's almost sick how badly he ragdolls guys after locking them up in the clinch. His top game is stellar, with his 6'4" 84 inch reach frame giving him a huge advantage, especially since he fights at 205. Combine with a punishing and unorthodox but fundamentally strong standing game and Bones is a style nightmare for anyone. It will take a very diligent and skilled Jujitsu player with a good guard to submit him (Antonio Rogeria Nougeria perhaps?). At any rate, even more frightening for the rest of the LHW division is the fact he's only 22, is extremely humble and respectful of his opponents, but extremely confident and self-assured in his abilities, training and hard work ethic.

Other important fights included Kenny Florian choking out Pride and current DREAM 155 kingpin, Takanori Gomi, in the fourth round and Stefan Struve going down by way of first round knockout to Season 10 TUF winner and former IFL heavyweight champion, Roy Nelson. Paul Buentello was cut from the Heavyewight division after losing his second straight to Cheick Kongo by way of 3rd round submission to elbows.

UFC 112, the first card in Abu Dhabi by the UFC features three top tier fights with Anderson Silva defending his 185# title against Demian Maia, BJ Penn taking on Fankie Edgar for his 155# belt and future hall of famer Matt Hughes welcoming Pride veteran and fan favorite Renzo Gracie to the UFC in a welterweight tilt.

WEC also has its first ever PPV card in April with Jose Aldo making his first defense against Uriah Faber. I will be pulling for Aldo all the way. Ben Henderson and Donal Cerrone meeting in a showdown for the WEC lightweight belt.

Here is a nice KO from the UFN card. John Howard gets caught but escapes a failed omoplata attempt by Daniel Roberts who employs a 10th Planet Jujutsu rubber guard technique that is called "mission control". For all you other grapplers, Eddie Bravo has a very unique system of guard play that utilizes flexibility from awkward angles and subterfuge and armwork in conjunction with the legs in the guard to defend against getting hit and to attempt for locks, particularly the omoplata.

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The clip is short, but the aftermath was not pretty. Daniel Roberts was staring up, eyes wide open for a good minute after this happened. I think it took him about 15 minutes to get back on his feet and leave. We wish him well and hope he is not injured. Note that his guard didn't really fail to protect him, Howard just swung for the fences with a hail mary punch and happened to connect. It was brutal.

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<3 Rubber guard. I can't pull it off on big guys yet though. Leg length is an issue on a guy with a barrell chest.

Eddie named all the various steps along the path of using Rubber Guard as a mnemonic device to help you remember how each move goes. With so much of JJ working like a flowchart of moves, its a good idea. Mission Control is a very early step in pulling off Rubber Guard--the next step is to get the high-side hand to the mat, usually through a Technique called the Zombie, and then move to a position called New York, and then transition to Chill Dog.
If he had managed to pull of Zombie, then those punches largely disappear.


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Are y ou guys watching 112 in the afternoon or the evening? We want to see it live, but the afternoon on a Saturday is to prime for other stuff like golf or cards on a patio. We were thinking of waiting till the delay broadcast at 10 and hoping to keep the outcomes unknown, but we all know how hard it is to do something like that nowadays.


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I will probably watch it live. 112 was going to be the best card of the year until Vitor Belfort pulled out from fighting A. Silva. As it is, Demian Maia poses little threat. If he cannot get it to the mat quickly, Silva will demolish him because he only needs the tiniest of openings to flatten openings with his boxing. The way he has clowned guys since starting in the UFC is just disgusting. For not be being an actual boxer, he puts on boxing clinics.

However, BJ Penn and Renzo Gracie are two of my all time favorite fighters. So I will watch with great abandon.

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I respect what Eddie Bravo has done immensely. The rubber guard system he has developed is one of the best ways to control your aggressor's posture while protecting yourself from blows. However, I find it greatly falls within the realm of use for sport, rather than self defense, and here's why I think that and why I think that it being so is a problem. I'm sure you know most of it, but I want to be comprehensive.

Firstly, MMA came from Vale Tudo and challenge matches the Gracies used as way to hone and develop their art and try out techniques. They received this philosophy from Mitsuyo Maeda who was Jigoro Kano's student. The Kodokan forbid challenge matches and professional fights since the Kodokan's purpose was to develop Judo not only as combat effectiveness self defense style, but to be a social and educational tool within Japanese society so that the martial skills that Japan used pre-Meiji Restoration might be preserved more readily.

However, MMA has become a sport, far removed from challenge matches. Things like round times, stand-ups, judges decisions and use of gloves greatly favor wrestlers and kickboxing styles over grapplers like Judo, Sambo and Jujutsu players. Grapplers have to contend with not only round timers but being stood up and thus have a time pressure which works directly against the philosophy of exhausting your opponents, advancing your position and then finishing the fight. Gloves hinder our ability to grab and feel while grappling and greatly help wrestlers punch with full power without fear of breaking a hand. Judges decisions mean working from the guard often loses you the fight because top control is erroneously considered more important than guys like BJ Penn or the Diaz brothers who are great guard players and could probably finish the fight from underneath given enough time. Just watch round 3 of Diego Sanchez against Jon Fitch. Fitch did his usual lay and pray style which comes from his wrestling pedigree while Sanchez tried to end the fight with at least 9 submission attempts from guard. Jon just survived.

So MMA is a limited tool for measuring success of how well jujutsu can be used to defend oneself, because unlike the vale tudo fights and challenge matches, it is further removed from a street fight situation.

But what we do see in MMA is this: those fighters who are most dangerous inside the guard are typically world class wrestlers with enough submission knowledge to avoid getting swept or submitted from inside the guard. Ken Shamrock way back in the day was the first guy to do this, which makes sense because he was a catch wrestler and had great submission knowledge, but also a freestyle wrestler which gave him good positional knowledge and takedowns. The guys most dangerous from guard and half guard are guys like Georges St. Pierre, Brock Lesnar, Jon Fitch (more conservative) etc. These guys all have world class wrestling pedigrees, particularly GSP.

Where Mission Control is so powerful is its ability to break the posture of wrestlers and control the ground fighting ability to sit in guard and rain down very devastating punches. In a street situation, most attackers aren't going to know how to posture out of a guard, how to avoid submissions and will likely make basic mistakes allowing you to pin their wrist for a keylock or give up a triangle or arm bar. Furthermore, most attackers in the street are not going to be knowledgeable enough to pass the guard, at least not before you can advance yourself from guard and get a sweep to put yourself in full mount.

So Mission Control really has its best uses in Sport Jujitsu, Submission tournaments or MMA. However, the cost of using it means it requires good flexibility and more extraneous movements which use energy. The guiding principals that were used to develop Gracie's jututsu system are energy efficiency, natural body motions (low flexibility) and limited requirements of strength, power, speed and general athleticism.

Like I said prior, Mission Control and the rubber guard positions you can advance to beyond it are great for breaking an aggressors' posture. Against a big enough guy, they might be one of the few ways survive.

Of course, jujutsu is constantly being refined and Eddie Bravo might have stumbled onto the next very important pieces of the puzzle. And I'm only a beginner/novice at any rate.

Most of my workouts always include drilling the fundamentals, sweeps from the mount and guard, submissions from full guard, full mount, rear mount, side control, knee on belly and positional moves. I have a repertoire of very basic moves, maybe 40 techniques and a variation or two on each, but I drill them into memory and try to tweak them each time to make it better, more energy efficient and tighter.

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Yup. as any JJ practitioner will tell you, its ALL about repetition. Basics, basics, basics.
The first time we learn a move we'll typically do 30-50 reps, and even then I dont think I've successfully landed a technique I have not put in more than 100 reps of and even then its sloppy.

Its funny though. I've listened to Relson Gracie rant on about Eddie Bravo though. I think it was pretty low class, but he ripped Eddie a new one, blasting him on just about every front, he was pretty contemptuous of him and rubber guard. (Something about his books being worthless for anything but starting fires)


Rubber Guard DOES require the flexibility most people don't have. (Eddie himself states that if you can't put your foot behind your head you are not ready for it.)


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The hard part is just doing the reps before you even think about putting in half speed randori. But then once you do put it in speed, you have to learn it all over again. of course, that's the beauty of Kano's genius: randori prepares you to really defend yourself like nothing else can.

I think the Gracies' are somewhat protective of their art - there seems to be a divide between Helio's side of the family and Carlos'.

I imagine his ire of the rubber guard has to do with the fact it's primarily aimed at defeating opponents in a competition setting rather than defending oneself in the street. The flexibility requirement goes strictly against Relsons' father's original intent of making things easier.

However, I think the rubber guard is important as a developmental milestone because I think it will lead to techniques that are easy for a common person to use which break a large mans' posture and help control him. Closed guard means shooting triangle and armlock attempts which tend to be lower percentage success unless you can break his posture and wear him down first while conserving his energy.

I am learning to trust the butterfly and x-guard to keep a large guy at bay (I'm a small guy) and in "position where he can't pass the guard easily. However, I've learned being small can help because,

1) mount escapes are much easier. The Elbow escape has much more room to work well if you are small. The Upa requires more strength, obviously, but still works. I use it to set up the elbow escape.

2) sweeps are easy to lock in place. Once the guy starts to lose his balance and post out to try and keep his position, he becomes very vulnerable to submissions from the guard. I find that once I scare him by going for the sub, then the opportunity for the sweep becomes much wider.

3) Riding an opponent from the mount or rear mount usually is more assured because it's harder to throw a small person off and the hooks stay in more readily.

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I routinely roll with guys who are 260-330 lbs. I can't even GET mount on them (my knees dont hit the mat) I usually spend those matches in side mount (or full/halfguard more likely. I think I'm better technically than them, but I just can't deal with that much mass. (if I tap its nearly always just suffocation.)

My big thing is arms. I've been submitted a total of twice with a choke in the year and a half I've been doing it. I've got a huge amount of confidence in my choke defense.

Arms are another story entirely, I'm always losing to armbars and americanas- its been that way for as long as I've been doing this, and though I'm getting BETTER, its nowhere near where I want to be, It may just be an arm strength thing though.


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So, no comments yet on Silva's hotdogging?


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About par for the course.

The guy's a douche. Only way to stop him from doing that is to put some one in front of him that could actually beat him. So far there doesn't seem to be many who can.


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He's too good for 185 and probably 205.

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He wants to drop down & fight GSP. But now White won't let him due to humiliating the company 3 times in a row.


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I think White is scared at how bad Silva would tool one of his top draws and one of the best faces to promote his company.

Silva had two "bad" performances. His Patrick Cote title defense was a measure fight for 3 rounds until Cote injured himself and couldn't continue. Silva said his aim was to slowly pick apart Cote and wear down his energy while conserving his looking for a championship round KO. That was in line with what happened. The Thales Leites fight was slow and uneventful, coincidentally against another Brasilian.

After that, he absolutely blew away former LHW champion Forrest Griffin in about 2 minutes, who is one of the biggest 205# fighters in the UFC. He bobbed and weaved and made Griffin look like a complete clown, eventually knocking him out with a backpeddling short right hand.

I believe there are only two good explanations. The first being he did not want to inflict serious injury on Maia. This is the most reasonable. If you look at the compustrike numbers for the fight, Silva only connected with 8 punches in the first two rounds. It is obvious even to the viewer that Demian Maia's face was severely damaged by exchanges in the first round, from just 8 punches. Post fight press confirms that Maia left with a broken nose and a fractured orbital bone, a very serious injury. A similar performance against fellow Brasilian Thales Leites lends more support to this theory. A lot of people point to Canadian Patrick Cote in which Anderson exhibited a similar strategy, but the fact is, he was engaging Cote conservatively and Cote hurt himself in the third round. Silva stated he was trying to waste Cote's energy and finish him in the championship rounds which corresponds with his actions.

The other theory is that Silva did the equivalent of shaving points by taking the fight, by not finishing Maia. The betting lines for Maia leading up the fight for loss by decision were great odds, because everyone expected an Anderson stoppage or a Maia stoppage. I'm not saying he did do this, but there were some very strange circumstantial things that happened. For one, Anderson's gloves were not taped with red tape. The tape is just like in boxing where the fighters' gloves are scrutinized to ensure they are not loaded, taped and then signed by a commission official. Anderson had no tape. This alone is a procedural faux-pas in the world of combat sports. Secondly, Anderson's victory was announced only as unanimous decision, but the judges did not give their scores as usual. This struck me as very odd, too. The third bit of circumstance that lends itself to conspiracy theory is the historical and financial significance of Saturday's card. Flash Entertainment took a 10% stake in Zuffa Entertainment. When big business deals go through, people always try to exploit the distraction and confusion by flying under the radar. Couple this with the fact that Silva has made public statements he is bored with fighting and only signed a 6 fight contract so he could keep getting paid. All this evidence, although circumstantial, makes the theory seem less outlandish and more plausible.

My hunch it's the first combined with the fact Silva felt disrespected by having to defend his title against someone so outclassed by him. As far as other athletes not acting similarly despite outclassing their opposition: Silva is so far ahead of the middleweight division, it's not even funny. He
has knocked out two light heavyweights in the first round, has a (now) 10 fight UFC undefeated winning streak and has a record 6 consecutive title defenses. The only thing left for him to do is move to 205 or heavyweight and take one of those belts, but with Machida holding one, that isn't possible since he won't fight his training partners.

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Looks like Tito Ortiz has been arrested for domestic violence against Jenna Jameson.

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Yep, TMZ had the scoop on this.

In other news, my huge fandom and wanktardomfest of Jose Aldo has grown to epic proportions. The kid absolutely dismantled Uriah Faber in one of the most tactical, methodical and clinical beatdowns I've ever seen.

And Chan Sung Jung v. Leonard Garcia was quite an epic slugfest.

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Anyone watch the Machida v. Rua rematch? That was a very violent and decisive finish.

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I saw it. Go Rua!

Now maybe that'll entice Silva into moving up to light heavy weight to try & go for that title against better competition.

I'm also quite happy that with Kimbo's beat down, his era is now over and he's done fighting in the UFC.


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That certainly quieted the controversy left over from last fight.


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So the drumbeating for Shogun vs. Silva is certainly becoming loud. It would be a great fight: two former Chute Boxe Muay Thai wrecking balls going at it. My money is still on Silva.

Also, Chael Sonnen(R) won his districts primary to be a house rep. Too bad he'll get crushed in the actual election after he gets crushed by Anderson Silva.

Here is a really cool GSP UA commercial. I hate UA because of the number of douchetards I know that deck themselves out in it, but I think this was GSP's best commercial, way better than those terrible Gatorade commercials:

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Looks like Tito Ortiz has been arrested for domestic violence against Jenna Jameson.

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Maybe Jenna asked him to fist her, and he misunderstood?

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So who is everyone picking tonight?

I'm thinking Evans should be able to win. He seems to have a more balanced game. But Rampage does have that dangerous one punch knock out power.

On a personal side, I'd like to see Evans shut Rampage up. I ended up siding with Evans a ton when watching TUF 10 with those two.


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I like that Evans shut Rampage up, but I don't like the boring fashion he did it in. Minus one great punch in the first five seconds, he did absolutely nothing except stall for the entire match and get a couple takedowns. Rampage actually has the most impressive series of the fight, which could have been called if it weren't Herb Dean in there reffing.

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I'm not sure if it could of or should of been called at that point. It was getting to be close but Rampage seemed to let up.

Over all it could of been a bit more of an entertaining fight.


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