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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:40 pm 
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For the record, I am posting this because I felt it was too important not to spread the information, and to make the few people here that do not sicken me aware. Do not count on my participation, or any further involvement with you. If it happens, it happens, but for the most part you aren't worth my time.

http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/04/08/would-you-rat-out-a-tax-cheat/?icid=main|main|dl3|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.walletpop.com%2Fblog%2F2010%2F04%2F08%2Fwould-you-rat-out-a-tax-cheat%2F

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Would you rat out a tax cheat?
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Admit it, it drives you nuts: You know someone who has cheated on his or her taxes, and you think you can't do a thing about it. Or maybe you can.

The IRS Whistleblower Office was established by the Tax Relief and Health Care Act of 2006 to encourage taxpayers who witness tax problems to make reports to the taxing authorities. Mechanisms for making reports had been in place for nearly 150 years, but the 2006 law created new procedures and incentives for processing and investigating taxpayer claims. To encourage more taxpayers to come forward, the IRS made a public show about the fact that they may pay awards to people who provide specific and credible information to the IRS about non-compliant taxpayers.

Remember those words: specific and credible. The IRS wants details. They don't want guesses or beliefs. They don't want to hear that your neighbor has to be under reporting her income because she otherwise couldn't afford a new car on her salary (you don't know that her long lost uncle just died and left her a bunch of money). And just because you've never personally walked a tax return to the post office for your employer doesn't mean that he or she hasn't filed one.

If you can provide sufficient information that leads to the collection of taxes, penalties, interest, or other amounts from the non-compliant taxpayer, you can be eligible to collect one of two awards:

If the amount in dispute exceeds $2 million, the IRS will pay a whistleblower up to 30% of the amount collected. If the alleged tax cheater is an individual taxpayer, his or her annual gross income must be more than $200,000 for the whistleblower to be eligible to collect this award.
In most other cases, the maximum award is 15% of the amount collected up to $10 million.

If you're sure you have a claim -- and you're willing to swear to it under the penalty of perjury -- you kick things off by filing a federal form 211. The form requires that you include your name and personally identifying information, such as your Social Security number and address. You must then detail the information you have that you believe supports your claim of unpaid taxes, including the amounts; you must attach any evidence you have to support your claims. You're required to share with the IRS how you know about the potential tax violations. Finally, you have to reveal a complete description of your relationship to the taxpayer (hint: using "my jerky ex-boyfriend" will not help your cause).

Don't underestimate the importance of the perjury penalty. Lying to a government official can result in fines or jail time -- not to mention you could potentially be sued civilly for making false claims (just ask Joe Francis' accountant).

After you file, the Whistleblower Office will acknowledge your claim in writing. Then you wait. You won't be advised of the your award in the case until the end -- which could take years. No awards will be paid out unless and until a final determination of liability has been issued to the taxpayer and the IRS has collected that amount due.

So what if you have information about potential tax issues but don't necessarily want an award? You can make an anonymous report to the IRS using federal form 3949.

You have a number of options available to you for reporting tax fraud. The bigger question is: Would you do it?

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Most likely, no, let the government track down their own damn tax cheats.

However, is someone injures me or rips me off in some way, and I have that information on him - he's going down. Don't get even, get revenge.

If this doesn't sound much like me, I'm still sick with this damn cold/cough and in a bad mood. Vengeance sounds good right about now.

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Like it or not not paying your taxes is still a crime. I can't imagine a situation that I would have that kind of information on someone and not be covered by some kind of confidientiality agreement

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Rynar wrote:
For the record, I am posting this because I felt it was too important not to spread the information, and to make the few people here that do not sicken me aware.

If there are only a few people here who do not sicken you, why do you continue to frequent this site?

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He has bulimia.

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He has bulimia.

I bet he blames it on the mods.

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Like it or not not paying your taxes is still a crime. I can't imagine a situation that I would have that kind of information on someone and not be covered by some kind of confidientiality agreement

Yeah, this. I think you might need to look at the article from a different perspective. I know you don't like Big Government invading your privacy nor taxes in general, Rynar, and volunteering all that information to the IRS probably gives your soul the willies. But for all intents and purposes anyone filling out the non-anonymous form is volunteering to be a witness in a criminal investigation. Any investigator or prosecutor (and even a defending attorney, for that matter) worth their salt is going to want to know as much as they can about such a witness in any sort of investigation whatsoever, be it tax fraud or murder. What motive does the witness have, and how did they get that info?

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Most of the people I know cheat to some larger or smaller degree on their taxes.

It pisses me off.

Am I likely to do this? Not yet, but....

I may disagree with some parts of taxation, but as long as it is the law, I will pay my dues and fight it in other ways.

But I know people with twice my salary, easily, with no additional deductions, that are paying less than half of what I am in taxes.

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What really bothers me is the people who are just out to **** the government, not save money. I know one guy who has done the math and figured out that the money saved by having an accountant do his taxes is about equal to the amount he pays the accountant to do them. But he still employs the guy, just so he can ensure the government gets less money.


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Nah, I wouldn't do anything about it if I had info on someone, although, for various reasons, I may think less of the person.

X, if you look at it a different way, he's choosing how to spend that money, and that's something of value (at least to me). If I had to make the choice between giving the gov't the money or employing someone I know I'd choose the latter. This guy's reasoning might be just to screw the gov't, but intentions aren't always a good measure of an action's worth.

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The United States has one of the highest aggregate tax rates in the world for people who actually pay taxes. And with a simple majority of Americans having no legal tax burden (because Federal Credits exceed any taxes that they actually pay, if they were smart enough to use them), I think the government needs screwing.

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Except that we now have a system where so many people welch out of large parts of the taxes they 'owe', the government goes "Oh no! We aren't getting enough income! Lets raise taxes MORE".....

And those that don't try to weasel out of taxes end up paying even more, and those that weasel out pay about the same.

But then, most of you know I'm for a simple, flat, tax system.

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I'm guessing it's too late to get a bounty on Geitner, huh?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:58 am 
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47% pay nothing and 40% turn a profit:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Nearly-ha ... l?x=0&.v=1

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About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability. That's according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research organization.


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The bottom 40 percent, on average, make a profit from the federal income tax, meaning they get more money in tax credits than they would otherwise owe in taxes. For those people, the government sends them a payment.


Once they jack up taxes even further they know the wrong side of the Laffer curve is close by so I guess they want people to snitch as much as possible.

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I have no problem with the general populace reporting crime.


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I wouldn't turn people in for cheating taxes because it doesn't affect me personally, and it's not my profession to report criminal behavior. However, I have no problems with other people doing this. I think it's great for people to do volunteer civil service work.


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What really bothers me is the people who are just out to **** the government, not save money. I know one guy who has done the math and figured out that the money saved by having an accountant do his taxes is about equal to the amount he pays the accountant to do them. But he still employs the guy, just so he can ensure the government gets less money.


Except that's too simplistic of an analysis. As Vindicarre pointed out, he's putting his money toward a private enterprise, rather than the government.

Given the choice, would you rather take your SS money and put it toward private charity, or Social Security?

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Here's a question, if you know and don't report does that make you an accessory to tax-evasion?

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If the government could prove you had actual evidence of someone doing so, they could most likely charge you criminally. However, there are no tax penalties in the code that would apply to you, and the IRS generally is less interested in criminal charges except as an avenue to collect money.

Since they can't collect any from you, chance are you wouldn't be prosecuted, though you might be used, under thread of prosecution, to testify against the tax evader should it go that far.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:09 pm 
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personally I hate tax just cause we have so much of it here. I don't see why I would report anyone for trying not to pay tax provided it's a legal avenue (claiming on extra stuff you can buy tax free cause of your job).

I myself use a good accountant to get away with paying as much tax as possible, but I still pay too much >.<


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Hey Rynar,

I've listened to some of your vitriol but here you go to far. I may be an ass-wipe but if you think
98% of this board are as such you might think of moving the **** on.

And I'd love to arm-wrestle you.

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That kind of post is against the rules of this particular forum. Consider this a warning.


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Lenas wrote:
That kind of post is against the rules of this particular forum. Consider this a warning.


Are you friggin kidding me? Saying Rynar's post goes too far and calling himself an asswipe? What about that is against the rules? Suggesting that Rynar should go elsewhere? Others in this thread have done so. Did you even read Rynar's post?


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*popcorn*

This is why no moderation > any moderation.

*soda*

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What does 'the bottom 40%, on average, make a profit' mean?

Either they do or they don't. Or does it mean 51% of the bottom 40% make a profit? or 2% make a profit buty its a big one?

The post make no sense to smallbrain sui.


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