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I'm not arguing any of that, I simply saying you've chosen your words poorly.

Edit: Well, actually I would argue for the merits of a global free market for the sake of a global free market, but you already know that anyway, and that's not what this thread is about.


I know you would, but I wouldn't. I don't actually see the global free market as really existing anyhow since it's inextricably constrained by geography in its freedom (unless we get cheap, hypersonic transport of large masses). I therefore really only care about the freedom of the labor market in individual nations, and specifically this nation.

This point might be more obvious if Mexico had an obviously non-free-market internal economy, but it doesn't.

I also don't think you'd really argue a global free market for the sake of a global free market; I think you'd inevitably find yourself using its benefits in terms of creating prosperity to support your argument - which is fine, it just illustrates that the free market is a means to prosperity, not an end in itself.

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Those natural barriers don't restrict markets in so much as they create new markets for things like shipping and travel. This is much in the same way that gravity doesn't restrict the flying car market in so much as it creates markets for shoes and roads.

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Rynar wrote:
Those natural barriers don't restrict markets in so much as they create new markets for things like shipping and travel. This is much in the same way that gravity doesn't restrict the flying car market in so much as it creates markets for shoes and roads.


Actually, they do restrict markets or they wouldn't create the new ones you cite. They do both. However, that need for travel and shipping is what makes the global market really a collection of smaller ones.

The relatively permeable nature of the natural barriers between the U.S. and Mexico means that labor can self-transport between two markets, making them act like one big labor market, but the goods markets don't because goods don't transport themselves. Becuase of the disparity in prosperity, this results in a massive, one-sided shift of labor from one market to the other. This wouldn't be bad if we and Mexico were really just one big economy, but because we're two separate countries, we aren't. Even attempts to artificially engineer this situation in places like the EU haven't really succeeded.

There IS a way to solve the entire problem, and remove the need for artificial barriers to counter the artificial labor shift, if both countries are willing to do it, but I doubt they are, and it would inevitably involve a lot of its own complications.

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Natural bariers are not restrictions. Restrictions are artificial devices.

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Rynar wrote:
Natural bariers are not restrictions. Restrictions are artificial devices.


This is not true.

restrict

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verb (used with object)
to confine or keep within limits, as of space, action, choice, intensity, or quantity.


restriction

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–noun
1.something that restricts; a restrictive condition or regulation; limitation.
2.the act of restricting.
3.the state of being restricted.


Artificiality is not part of the definition.

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Diamondeye wrote:
Rynar wrote:
Natural bariers are not restrictions. Restrictions are artificial devices.


This is not true.


When I say, "You are restricted from flying," it does not mean that you don't have wings.

The word you are looking for is impediment.

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