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I didn't take it as him asking about it being integrated into the rifle, but then I forget how much of a differential there is in people's basic knowledge of firearms.


Well, he asked about why sniper rifles don't have computer targeting, so I took the question literally. I didn't really think about the fact that RD probably isn't all that familiar with how sniper teams work.

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Yeah, I don't really know much of anything when it comes to weaponry. I wasn't necessarily imagining the computer built into the gun itself, though. More like a laptop running the calculations and hooked up to a scope that's basically an LCD screen showing the shooter where the bullet will hit. Like I said, probably a stupid question. :oops:


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Yeah, I don't really know much of anything when it comes to weaponry. I wasn't necessarily imagining the computer built into the gun itself, though. More like a laptop running the calculations and hooked up to a scope that's basically an LCD screen showing the shooter where the bullet will hit. Like I said, probably a stupid question. :oops:


Not a stupid question at all; if you have no experience with such matters it won't be obvious why this is.

You could make the laptop work, but you would need GPS sensors all over the gun telling the computer which direction it was pointing. Those would require power. You'd also need ungainly cables reaching from the gun to the computer. Then you'd need a rangefinder. This configuration could allow the rangefinder to be separate from the gun which would solve the "aligned to the barrel" problem I mentioned earlier, but it would still need power. Something small like a GVS-5 aould be adequate, and probably comparable to what a Sniper team already carries.

But now we've added the need to carry, say, 6 pounds of laptop around, maybe more (since it will need to be some hardened type like a Toughbook for field use) and probably 1 or 2 spare laptop batteries, which will add to the already considerable weight soldiers carry in the field, plus the space required in their rucksacks, complicating his packing, especially since it will need to be readily accessible. Then, when you get to the firing position, you'll need to screw around getting all of this stuff plugged into each other, which will cause a lot more movement (bad thing for snipers) and of course with cables all over the place you'll be unable to quickly leave except by rapdily unplugging your weapon while your partner unplugs the rangefinder and ditching the laptop, unless you want to haul *** with a laptop trailing USB cables in your hands.

Then of course if it's night both the laptop and the screen on the rifle would create light...

Finally, if the screen on the rifle becomes damaged, how will you shoot? Detach it and put a scope on? PRobably workable, but that may cause problems too depending on how hard it is to zero the scope to the rifle.

All of this might be worth it if there was some phenomenal increase in performance to be had without also getting a lot more snipers killed, but I don't think that's likely to be realized.

Don't feel stupid for asking this. Real professionals have come up with far worse ideas, and spent an assload of money on things they damn well should have known better about. Even workable, good ideas often create problems when first implemented because even with field soldier consultants, these things get desinged in a lab, but have to work in the field. For example, when the FBCB2/Blue Force Tracker first got fielded to us in 2nd BCT 4ID for the Digital Division program (this is about 10 years ago now) it was tearing up HMMWV generators like crazy because they only had 60 amp generators designed for the vehicle itself and by the time all this extra electronics got added, you really needed over 100 amps.

Just remember this example when someone asks "Why doesn't the military just do/buy X and solve all their problems?" It's generally because X will create more problems than it solves. Not always. Politics matters too, as does institutional dogma, but for the most part, if theres an obvious solution it has some not-so-obvious complications. When you're talking about foot soldiers, those problems generally can be summed up as "too **** heavy."

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Cool, thanks for the explanations, guys. Of course, I still say we just nuke the site from orbit. It really is the only way to be sure. ;)


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Obviously that wasn't going to work in Avatar. What makes you think it would work here?

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Obviously that wasn't going to work in Avatar. What makes you think it would work here?


Besides the fact that A) we actually have nukes B) it might occur to us to actually send our orbit-capable spaceship into, you know, orbit and C) we aren't being led by a raving incompetant who thinks he's going to wipe out his opponents with one swing of his tremendous ball sack?

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C) we aren't being led by a raving incompetant who thinks he's going to wipe out his opponents with one swing of his tremendous ball sack?


Yeh, he couldn't win a third term.

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C) we aren't being led by a raving incompetant who thinks he's going to wipe out his opponents with one swing of his tremendous ball sack?


Yeh, he couldn't win a third term.


He had to let the wife have her shot.

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C) we aren't being led by a raving incompetant who thinks he's going to wipe out his opponents with one swing of his tremendous ball sack?


Yeh, he couldn't win a third term.


He had to the the wife have her shot.


Wait... are we talking about Quarich, Cameron, Clinton or Bush here?

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I have no idea how to read that combination of words.


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Take out the first the and replace it with let.

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He had to the the wife have her shot.


Wait... are we talking about Quarich, Cameron, Clinton or Bush here?


Well, since we're now talking about how we're not led by the guy in Avatar, and we clearly aren't led by the director, that leaves 2 choices. Only one of them was swinging his dick all over and had to let his wife take a shot at a a term in office.

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Well, Quarich was the ball swinging *leader* in the film... Cameron was the ball swinging director that lost to his wife at the oscars, Clinton swung his dick around some interns, and Bush was a raving incompetent that swung his ball sack around...

So, there's a lot of cool unintended parallels there.

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Well, Quarich was the ball swinging *leader* in the film... Cameron was the ball swinging director that lost to his wife at the oscars, Clinton swung his dick around some interns, and Bush was a raving incompetent that swung his ball sack around...

So, there's a lot of cool unintended parallels there.


Except that Bush was not a raving incompetant ball swinger; although he did have at least 2 working for him.

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Bush may not have been a ball swinger, but he was a raving incompetent. I'm giving Mus partial credit here.

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Bush may not have been a ball swinger, but he was a raving incompetent. I'm giving Mus partial credit here.


I don't see how you can say he wasn't a ball swinger. Admittedly for afghanistan he was provoked, but after that the balls never stopped swinging.


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Far too imbecilic to be a ball swinger. He was surrounded by them, however.

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Bush was neither imbecilic, incompetant, nor a habitual ball swinger, (I'm thinking this term, "ball swinger" may serve us long and faithfully on this board, by the way) although he did have his moments such as the "bring them on" comment.

Incompetance can be firmly laid at the feet of Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, both of whom richly deserve the title of "imbicile".

However, the fact is that the press started off labelling everything Bush did as stupid or incompetant the moment their boy lost the 2000 election and essentially beat it into the public mindset, so much so that people think all they need to do is say "Bush sucked" and the claim somehow stands on its own merits without any need to explain why. Of course, given the number of times Monty did try to explain why and had his high horse shot out from under him, it's easy to see why.

The real fact of the matter is a lot of people don't like what Bush did, and label him incompetant and arrogant because of that, but that's just the typical hubris of "the way I wanted it done is the only right way."

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I think as functional hot blooded men (or moose) you guys are too facinated with balls for comfort... O.o


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You are part of the 4th Infantry Division, RD?


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You are part of the 4th Infantry Division, RD?


RD isn't. I was in 4th ID from 1998 to 2002.

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