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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 7:43 pm 
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PArt of the problem right there is letting people sit in an academic setting and think they get to pronounce on what is and isn't ethical to everyone else.

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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 7:54 am 
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No, that isn't how most sexual harassment policies work. What they actually say is, if a reasonable person (or something generally synonymous) would feel harassed by what you actually did or said. Your officemate cannot simply claim you did something you didn't do and claim they were harrassed by your fictitious behavior, nor can they claim that something obviously not sexual harrassment is, just because they say so.


Our policy is based on whether or not the person felt harassed or uncomfortable (even if nothing was directed at them); there isn't a "reasonable person" standard on paper. Maybe in practice...


Then your policy is all **** up and unuseable.. or people are simply saying it's however the person feels and the actual written policy is that it's a reasonable person. I don't think a policy that simply treats the stated feelings of the "harrassed" person as the standard is legally enforceable.

Lots of people think their policies are based on the feelings of the accuser. This is especially true in the military; most Soldiers think all someone has to do is claim sexual harrassment and its automatically true because they felt harrassed. The actual policy does not work that way, however, but Soldiers persist in believing it does

In fact the policy is designed that way because on a good 50% of the cases the supposedly-harrassed person was accepting, encouraging, or even participating int he behavior themselves and then something happened (usually they got in trouble for something unrelated, or their behavior was sending signals they didn't intend and someone responded in kind, or someone else passed over some personal "line" they have, or some soldier they just didn't like as much got involved) and the case gets tossed out on its ear.

If you don't have that kind of protection for the accused, your policy is unfair and worthless.


The reasonable person is implied, you do not need to explicitly state it in your policy. 95% of liability claims rely on the reasonable person clause which is why the jury-system exists.

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http://www.foxnewsradio.com/2010/05/09/ ... z0nWvFP72X

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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 8:19 am 
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The reasonable person is implied, you do not need to explicitly state it in your policy. 95% of liability claims rely on the reasonable person clause which is why the jury-system exists.


Except that you generally don't get a jury trial to be fired in the first place, and there's no reason to imply reasonable person, when you can just state it up front. What ends up happening is that people don't undestand that it's implied and end up trying to use the policy as a weapon by claiming "But I was offended!"

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Nitefox wrote:
http://www.foxnewsradio.com/2010/05/09/teacher-deems-american-flag-offensive/#axzz0nWvFP72X

That flag offended me too. 5 rows of stars? What the hell?

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