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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/09/administration-wants-weaker-miranda-rules/

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Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said Sunday the administration wants a "public safety exception" to allow investigators to question terror suspects before they are read their Miranda rights or allowed to consult with a lawyer.

Mr. Holder, appearing on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday, said the law enforcement community needs more flexibility to question suspects -- within constitutional bounds.

The attorney general defended the Obama administration, which has been criticized for reading Miranda rights to the suspects in the Times Square bombing attempt and the Christmas Day attempt to blow up an airliner over Detroit.

Mr. Holder said Faisal Shahzad, the Times Square suspect, continued to answer questions after getting the Miranda warnings, but that the administration had changed its position on the Miranda rights because of the "threats that we now face."

On ABC's "This Week," Mr. Holder said: "The [Miranda] system we have in place has proven to be effective. I think we also want to look and determine whether we have the necessary flexibility -- whether we have a system that deals with situations that agents now confront. . . . We're now dealing with international terrorism. . . . I think we have to give serious consideration to at least modifying that public-safety exception."

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Yeah I heard mumblings about this on the weekend but they aren't pushing for anything specific. Its going to be a turd sandwich but I don't know what it is going to have as its bread yet.

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At this point, if I saw a headline "Obama Cheerfully eats Puppy Sandwich in Oval Office"

I wouldn't be surprised.

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Müs wrote:
At this point, if I saw a headline "Obama Cheerfully eats Puppy Sandwich in Oval Office"

I wouldn't be surprised.


Well, there is a Facebook group for it:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=35302441122
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I like how they try to deflect it so that the argument is whether or not someone is read their Miranda rights when in actuality they are really suspending the right to defense.

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Insistence on reading terrorists their rights was one of the few positives I had about Obama.

The worst part is, the populous will probably love this.
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Hopwin wrote:
I like how they try to deflect it so that the argument is whether or not someone is read their Miranda rights when in actuality they are really suspending the right to defense.

My thoughts exactly.

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Caught on U.S soil and/or U.S Citizen read them there rights, outside the U.S, non U.S. Citizen all bets are off.

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Thats how it currently works and should work Leshani.

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and the way it needs to stay.

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What saddens me is how many libertarians probably voted for Obama thinking he was going to be a civil rights improvement, especially compared to McCain, and thus overlooked his leftist financial leanings.

I remember a bunch of high-pro ones publicly stating so on Reason prior to the election. Instead, they got neither civil rights nor fiscal discipline.

Not that the group was large enough to sway the election or anything, just that I think it's sad they would have so misused their vote.

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DFK! wrote:
Instead, they got neither civil rights nor fiscal discipline.


I think both would have been worse under McCain, but yeah, Obama's been a big disappointment for me on the civil rights front.
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It took about two week for the ACLU to start sending email blasts that they were "concerned" over the direction of his administration.

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