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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 8:29 am 
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Absolutely loved the movie. I saw some reviews were ragging on the pacing slowing down in the middle but I disagree. The middle parts were some of my favorites. I'll probably go see it at least once more.

The Canada joke, in a theater in Canada, was laughed at perhaps more then any other part of the movie. I thought that was neat. LOL

I also loved the bonus clip. Though almost no one else stayed for it. It was worth the wait.


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Likely i won't be getting out here until next week, maybe.

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What didn't I like about the movie?

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Scarlet's wig.

That's about it.

Half the theater stayed for the final sequence, I was impressed.

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I can't wait to see this movie...I think I may be waiting until blu ray release, though!

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Wow! I must be in the minority again, but I thought this movie was downright awful. It was as bad as Spiderman 3 for me and I didn't care for any of the Spiderman films. It lacked a lot of action, a true plot, a good villain, and even a lot of the Tony Starkness of the first movie. I also think Don Cheadle didn't make a very convincing Rhodey to me. The good: Gary Shandling as the senator was fantastic and Scarlett Johannson makes me drool even more. Samuel L. Jackson is also growing on me as Nick Fury. But I would give this movie a 1 and half or two star rating out of 4. I just thought it was a boring film. I think the Chris Nolan Batman films just set the bar too high for what a comic book movie should be.

Also, when the hell will they bring on the Mandarin? I don't care if they change him to some Arab guy to make it more relevant to today's world (although Chinese could work still), but that's Iron Man's archnemesis.


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I think the Chris Nolan Batman films just set the bar too high for what a comic book movie should be.


Except the first Ironman film is 100 times better than both of those movies combined.

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I think the Chris Nolan Batman films just set the bar too high for what a comic book movie should be.


Except the first Ironman film is 100 times better than both of those movies combined.

Umm....Do you really believe or are you just trying to be sarcastic right now? The Chris Nolan Batman films are cinematic genius. I mean like so good that I want to see that new movie with Leonardo DiCaprio just because of those films. They had perfectly developed plots, interesting moral questions (especially in The Dark Knight), and superb acting. The first Iron Man film was solid, like as in a 2 and a half, maybe 3 out of 4 stars solid. It was funny, had good special effects, and overall it was well done. But Stane wasn't a very good first villain and again the plot was a little on the weak side. Though it was far better than what passes for a sequel in this one.

If people really think Jon Favreau is on the same level as Chris Nolan directing movies, I think meaningful discussion will cease to be productive. This is coming from someone who truly appreciated Swingers too.


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As far as comic book cinema goes, Jon Favreau's Iron Man movies are stellar. And, as a collective unit, they are every bit the equal of Nolan's Batman films as far as faith to the spirit and body of the comic books from which they derive. And, quite honestly, Robert Downey, Jr. is better than Bale. That said, individually speaking, neither movie is superior to either of the Nolan Batman films. They are, however, at least equally enjoyable.

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I'm not saying Batman Begins or the Dark Knight are bad movies. They are excellent movies(Begins more so than the Dark Knight), but they just aren't as entertaining as Iron Man was. You can go on and on about how much of a better director Nolan is and this and that...but the simple fact is, I found Iron Man to be more entertaining than both Batman films combined.

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Personally, I thought the first of Batman Begins was so bad I never even bothered to see Dark Knight. Bale's acting was so plastic it completely put me off.

On the other hand, I enjoyed both of the Iron Man movies quite a bit- the acting all around was very good, the characters made their roles believable, imo. And, as Raltar mentioned- they were just fun movies. I've never really been one to think a book or movie is better just because it's 'deeper', or 'explores moral issues'. I go to see movies for entertainment, primarily- and both of the Iron Man movies were quite entertaining.

At the theater I went to, only about 4 people from our showing stayed for the end scene- but everyone from the next showing had already come in and been seated, too. At least they won't have to stay 'til the end.

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Khross wrote:
As far as comic book cinema goes, Jon Favreau's Iron Man movies are stellar. And, as a collective unit, they are every bit the equal of Nolan's Batman films as far as faith to the spirit and body of the comic books from which they derive. And, quite honestly, Robert Downey, Jr. is better than Bale. That said, individually speaking, neither movie is superior to either of the Nolan Batman films. They are, however, at least equally enjoyable.

I can agree with this, with one caveat. I can't say the second Iron Man was "stellar" or "equally enjoyable". It was weak. I expected more after the first film. I'm not turned off entirely, though. And I'll definitely watch Iron Man 3, especially if they have the Mandarin. But I would like to see a lot more development of the villain if they do pick the Mandarin and a better plot.

I do agree that Robert Downey, Jr. was better than Christian Bale in both films. I think Christian Bale's Batman doesn't require great acting though. But Batman is more plot-driven whereas Iron Man is more character-driven, especially Tony Stark. It's a lot like Russell Crowe in Gladiator. He was good in it, but it wasn't really a role to show off his acting ability.


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Favreau brought Iron Man, and all that it is to be Iron Man, to the big screen flawlessly. In fact, it may be more definitive of the character than all but maybe 2 or 3 of his authors in the last 2 decades.

Nolan made a good movie out of Batman.

And the notion of Batman as a character being anything *but* character-driven is about to put Khross into a fit of rage. In 5, 4, 3...

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Iron Man 3 chatter from Jon Favreau. It makes me happy that he's saying exactly what I was saying Friday night after seeing this film the first time.

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"You gotta do The Mandarin..."

He has no idea where Tony Stark will have ended up, post-Avengers in 2012, but Jon Favreau has confirmed that he wants to continue Iron Man's solo outings when the team-up dust has settled. He told MTV that he sees The Mandarin as Robert Downey Jr's next major adversary.

"You've got to do The Mandarin", says the director, who has been teasing this in the films already with tiny references to the Ten Ring organisation, "but the problem is, the way he's depicted in the comic books... you don't want to see that."

The way he's depicted in the comic books is basically as a dastardly Chinaman, a la Fu Manchu. He's a scientific genius, descended from Genghis Khan, whose martial arts prowess makes him capable of taking on the armoured Stark with his bare hands (although at one point he lost his memory and became a cleaner at Stark Enterprises). An IGN poll last year ranked him the 81st greatest comic book villain of all time. So he's above Carnage and Mysterio, but 79 paces below The Joker.

He gets his power from ten magical rings, which Favreau concedes is a problem in his highly tech-based Iron Man universe. But with that universe expanding to include the supernatural Thor, he reasons "maybe introducing magic won't seem out of place" after all.

Iron Man 2 is currently dominating the world's box office, and you can read our review here. Iron Man 3... is a long way off.


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Wow. Yeah, dominating is the word. $134 million, 3 and a half times the sum of 2-10's weekend grosses.

In other news, How to Train Your Dragon topped $200 million gross this weekend.

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That Nolan's films make a plot-driven Batman annoys me to no end. Batman is the pinnacle of character driven characters. But, alas, I suspect I've simply read way too much Batman ...

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Ha! Favreau had the same line of thought that I did. All of the Marvel heroes have been science slanted, but Thor being magic origin gives the Marvel movie universe a lot more options.

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Ha! Favreau had the same line of thought that I did. All of the Marvel heroes have been science slanted, but Thor being magic origin gives the Marvel movie universe a lot more options.


He's not really of a magic origin, he's a god.


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Sorry, I mean magic/supernatural. I'm also not up on the Thor comic story; I only really know him from M:UA.

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I want to see the Thor / Ironman confrontation from Civil War.
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That's awesome. I've really got to start reading comics.


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I just got back and I loved it. Definitely on par with the original, which is rare these days. I wouldn't say it was better, but certainly as good.

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And I am so sick of seeing the Price of Persia trailer in front of every movie I see. It needs to come out already so I can forget it ever existed. What a horrible looking movie.

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Raltar wrote:
And I am so sick of seeing the Price of Persia trailer in front of every movie I see. It needs to come out already so I can forget it ever existed. What a horrible looking movie.


You are mad... MAD I say! Gemma Arterton alone makes that movie worth seeing...


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I wouldn't mind seeing the Mandarin. But yeah, he's gotta change a bit from the comic book version to become a bit more PC and up to date. I am sure it's possible.

But I also think they shouldn't try to downplay the magic at all. Part of what makes a good villain is the complete and utter contrast to the protagonist. Tech on Tech is cool, but how the hell does Stark deal with magic? A completely foreign concept to him. To me, that is a far more an interesting hook.

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Tech on Magic is a little like Superman on Magic.

However, while I'd love to see the Mandarin, the origin of his power doesn't matter that much.

Look at his abilities:

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Ice Blast
The ring emits waves of cold which can be used to stun an opponent. The ring usually causes the air in the path of its blast to turn to ice, and can lower an object's temperature to nearly absolute zero.
Black Light
The ring can create an area of absolute blackness that seems to absorb all light used within it. Although "black light" is a term used to refer to ultraviolet radiation, the darkness created by the ring is probably a form of the "darkforce" used by Cloak, Darkstar, and the Shroud.

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Mento-Intensifier
The ring magnifies the wearer's own psionic energy, allowing him to place one or more people under his mental control and to transmit orders to them mentally. Most frequently used to create illusions.
Disintegration Beam
The ring emits a beam of energy that destroys all bonds between the atoms and molecules of the object it strikes. This ring needs twenty minutes to recharge after use.

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Electro-Blast
The ring emits electricity in amounts at intensities mentally determined by the wearer. The maximum amperage attainable is not known.
Vortex Beam
The ring causes the air to move about at high speed in a vortex. The vortex can be used as an offensive weapon, as a means of levitating objects, or as a means of propelling the ring's wearer through the air.

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Flame Blast
The ring emits infrared radiation, or heat, at intensities mentally determined by the wearer. Usually the heat produces flame through incandescing the molecules in the air in the path of the blast. The heat beam can be used to trigger chemical explosions. The maximum amount of heat it can generate is not known.
Impact Beam
This ring can project various forms of energy, most frequently that of fast neutrons with great concussive force. The ring has also been used to project intense sonic vibrations and to create magnetic waves to attract or repel objects. The ring may be capable of emitting other forms of energy as well, and has been used to send Iron Man slamming through a mountain.

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White Light
This ring can emit various forms of energy along the electromagnetic spectrum. Has been used to create gravity powerful enough to make Iron Man bury himself by trying to walk forward.
Matter Rearranger
This ring can rearrange the atoms and molecules of a substance, or speed up or slow down their movement, so as to produce various effects. The ring has been used to condense water vapor in the air to liquid water, to solidify gasses, to create lethal poison gas from the air, to turn a group of men to stone, to turn a man into a beetle, to turn a mountain into a rock-monster, and to make a stone hand large enough to engulf Iron Man's body erupt from the floor. The ring cannot rearrange the atoms and molecules of Iron Man's magnetic-beam reinforced armor.


None of those screams 'He cast a spell!' in a world with the X-Men, guys who have alchemy guns, etc.

In fact, I can see Mandarin as nano-tech with the rings being the injection point and the catalyst for the Extremis upgrade in 3 or 4 after Tony manages to separate 1 of the 10 rings (I know, blasphemy from a canonical perspective) and analyze it.

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