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No, I don't think he's sleeping with his gun in hand. I did miss the "mentally" in his original post, my bad.

I completely understand that doing drills regularly is required to keep up those skills. However, he stated "I also feel like its time to run drills too." This implies that he doesn't run them now, or at least hasn't for some time. If indeed you're going to have a loaded firearm in quick and easy access to your bed, then in my opinion to be safe you need to have regular practice to mitigate all of the various risks that have been brought up already.

Lol, it only took you three pages, and extra large, colored, bold font to figure it out.


Surprise, surprise, he agrees with you.

Something that may be worthwhile to consider: You've given us multiple examples of "going off half-cocked", all while criticizing someone who didn't.

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Yeah, the difference there Vindi is that a forum isn't a loaded gun. And based on what he's posted, it's unclear what amount of practice or drills he's done so far, yet still still has a loaded gun by the bed. Hell yeah I'm going to criticize that, it sounds like he's got the cart before the horse.

Well, what he has written indicates that he has shown proper restraint and is mindful of the need practice. Then again, I stick with what is actually written, rather than deciding what I think is being implied.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Yeah, except that what he's written doesn't show that necessarily. There isn't enough information.

Further, my OP didn't assume anything about what he did, it backed up Hopwin's question which I think is a valid concern and made a statement that everyone here appears to agree with.

Yet instead of clarifying, he (and you/others) got all defensive and pissy. Hence the subsequent 2.5 pages of goofiness.

Except for the when we did, you know, clarify. Hey if it makes you feel better, go on thinking that we're just fools for expecting a post to actually be read, in it's entirety (not to even bring up comprehension), before a comment is made.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

You really are a child Vindi.

Child?

I'm sorry, but what you are writing is making you sound like a buffoon, Aizle. Your irrational predisposition towards private arms ownership (while quacking off about being some sort of gifted marksman) led you to assume things that weren't written or implied whatsoever.

Then when it is pointed out that what your expectation of safe gun handling protocol is (based on your alleged expertise) was exactly what actually happened, were one to be so inclined as to read the original post in its entirety, you get defensive, smug and call someone a child.

In which case I'll just echo one of the most oft repeated and ineffectual arguments I've encountered:

Heh.

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The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Um, where have I commented anywhere on private arms ownership in this thread? At most I've commented on proper safety.

What's hillarious about this thread is that all I stated was that being concerned with safety was valid and that if you're going to increase the level of fast access to a firearm you similarly need to increase the level of training to remain safe. Instead of everyone support that quite rational view towards firearms ownership, everyone got their undies in a bunch and started acting like children.

That's what we do here.

If you had simply stated that, rather than making assumptions based on incorrect interpretations of posts and using those incorrect assumptions to make judgments , there would have been no need for calling you on the carpet for those assumptions and regalements.



As you could plainly see, if you took the time to actually read what people posted, there was no disagreement about training and preparedness - by anyone, including the OP. I guess it's just easier for you to get all butt-hurt and make personal attacks.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Why is butt-hurt becoming popular?

Er... the phrase that is.

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Dude. This is from my original post.

It was the best line you posted in the whole thread, too bad you couldn't have left it at that.



The phrase seems so very applicable after hearing my daughter complain, "My bottom huurrrts", since she's been potty trained and learning firsthand why Mommy and Daddy were so contentious about keeping her clean. It captures the whiny tone perfectly.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

It other words: correlation does not equal causation.

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Except it's not mere correlation; it's a contributing factor.

You have studies or evidence to support that contention?

My gun on my shelf is no more or less prone to accident assembled, locked and loaded than not. That is a fact.

You're arguing that something happens between that stage of "gun on shelf" and usage that increases the risk of accident, and you're doing so without any evidence whatsoever.

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So, you're saying that a controlled study is needed before we can conclude that accidental shootings are less likely if one takes more time to evaluate the situation before bringing a loaded and cocked gun into play?

No, because that's you shifting the goalposts.

Your original contention was that having your weapon ready is a "contributing factor" to accidents, specifically firearm shootings of "bystanders" such as other residents in the home.

Taking time to evaluate the situation is something that all of us have been saying a responsible gun owner must do in a similar circumstance as Screelings, without discounting have the gun ready. You and Aizle, seemingly, are contending that in addition to evaluating the situation to minimize risk, one must also make their weapon either inaccessible or temporarily inoperative.

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Ah, ok. I think I see what the disconnect between us is. Certainly, any responsible gun owner will try to take the time to evaluate the situation before pulling the trigger, but everyone's human and nerves can get the better of even a well-trained individual. All I'm saying is that if the weapon is less accessible, you necessarily have more time to evaluate the situation before it even becomes physically possible to pull the trigger. Thus, the risk of nerves causing an accidental trigger-pull or mistaken-identity shooting is reduced.

So DKF! you think an accident is just as likely to occur if you store your weapon unloaded as opposed to having it loaded and ready to fire upon retrieval?

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Fair enough. My counter-response is that no data exists to substantiate this as a "significant" increase in the risk level, though.

What is supported by medical evidence is a loss of certain motor skills in intense situations. As such, minimizing the number of actions you need to do in order to defend yourself is key.

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Given no human element? Yes, of course I do.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

How can you say "given no human element" when that's precisely what this entire thread is about? It's so irrelevant. Of course a gun isn't going to sprout hands and shoot itself.

Keep your booger hook off the bangswitch and no go boom boom.

Not hard concept to understand.

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