The Glade 4.0

That's how I felt about it too, was a shortcut to a happy ending. I enjoyed the sci-fi portion of the show too much to just have it disappear.

Did some googling (still doing it) to see what others are saying. I thought this was pretty cool:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment_and_arts/10146072.stm



I like the way they worded their explanation of Ben. That helps some.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Something I forgot from the second to last episode...regarding Ana Lucia that could also go for the rest of folks that weren't in the church at the end.

Remember when Ana Lucia let Desmond, Kate and Sayid out of the van and Hugo gave her $. Hugo then asked Desmond if Ana Lucia was coming with them and Desmond said "She's not ready yet."

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

To add to Mr. The King's comment: When Eloise asked Desmond if he was taking her son, he replied something like "No, not me." I assume Eloise, Charlotte, Daniel, (Widmore???), etc. all went on in their own little group.

Anyone that wasn't in the church wasn't ready to move on, that's all. Same reason Ben stayed outside while everyone else went in.

Well, that wraps up that loose end. I feel good about that.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

I felt that way when Ben didn't go into the church but I wasn't sure why. Now I get it. He stayed out to finish some stuff up and partly because I think he caused so much strife to those inside that it wouldn't have been right for him to be in there with them. Also I think he is waiting for his daughter. Basically it "fit" that he didn't go on with those that were inside.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

He shouldn't need to wait for his daughter since time doesn't really matter in that place. Jack died way before Hurley, for instance, but was the last one into the church.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di3w1yV4 ... r_embedded


I laughed.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

I think it's more that Ben is not ready to forgive himself for what he has done. I also feel like he thinks he does not deserve to be with that group because of it all.
What I don't understand is why, after all he did, was Ben given the option to go while Micheal was stuck on the island for all eternity?

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Because the writers don't know what the **** they were doing.

Did anyone else catch that the final aired on the 23rd?

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Raell Kromwell

Just going to cut n paste my comments from another board discussion on this topic:

The draw of the series to me was the interaction between Jack and Locke, more specifically their philosophical opposition. Locke was a fatalist believing he had a connection with the island and was there to serve a purpose. We have to explore the hatch, we have to keep pressing the button. Everything happens for a reason. John Locke is the "Man of Faith", whereas ironically his philosopher namesake of the 1800s was a huge contributor to the enlightenment. Periodically they shake his faith, and if I remember right he was the one who ends up making the decision to stop pressing the button, resulting in the big boom (or whatever it was, EM pulse?)

Jack was the "Man of Science" and always tried to be pragmatic and analytical. Most of the weird **** on the island flew in the face of that so his form of faith was tested as well. The conflict between his natural ability to lead and his struggling to make sense of the supernatural and bizarre on the island was well done.

As it turned out in the end, Jack became more a "man of faith" and a fatalist in that he assumed the role of the protector of the island, he believed it was his purpose. Locke, the real Locke and not the smoke monster Locke, to my mind ended up being ... I dont want to say right or vindicated, but he just seemed to have a better sense of what was going on the whole time on the island and even in the afterlife. Jack was the linchpin of the show, everything was from his perspective for the most part and he was ultimately the hero and martyr. You can make the Jesus parallel I guess, Christian being God and shepherding him to the afterlife, Jack being stabbed in the side and dying for sins, but I didnt really take that away from it as I watched.

I would have liked the hard answers but I felt going in that if they did that no matter what it would be unsatisfying. The ending was absolutely biased towards the emotional, mystical, and ambiguously spiritual. I liked that. If you preferred the cerebral and scientific you'd probably be put off by the finale.


Oh and I almost forgot that Locke (the philosopher) was a proponent of Tabula Rasa, the clean slate of the human condition. i.e. you are born without preconception and all knowledge is based on your personal experiences. I remember being struck by John Locke on the show seeing the island as a clean slate to start their lives over.

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Was sad last night around 8.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Me too. Life has no purpose anymore on Tuesdays at 8pm.
Whatever could we do for an hour every Tuesday night to bring ourselves pleasure and entertainment??

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Hee hee!

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

That seems like a lot of questions.

LOL, so frustrating to hear all those questions. It's equally frustrating when the writers want us to answer them all with, "A wizard did it" or, "It wasn't that important" and stop caring.

Sigh.

You know what, screw everyone that says the story was about the characters and not the mysteries. You didn't tune in every week to see if Jack was gonna bang Kate, you tuned in every week hoping to find out wtf is up with Jacob, the smoke monster, the time traveling and all the lying.

Honestly, I am happy with the end.

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Raell Kromwell

So, now that it is over I have been more tempted to watch the show (for the first time). Kind of similar to what will happen once Sanderson finishes the Robert Jordan books.

The problem with this is, some guy at my work already ruined the big surprise by discussing the show with another co-worker who sits next to me.

Well, there's several days worth of time I don't need to spend watching a show now, I guess.

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Les Zombis et les Loups-Garous!

If your coworker is anything like 50% of the Lost fanbase, they probably didn't understand what happened anyway. You could have heard a totally different ending :p

I don't know if they didn't understand it, but there is definitely a lot of room for interpretation. Also, there is the fact that Lost: Season 1 is one of the most amazing seasons of television ever made. (ever.) Watch it anyway.