The Glade 4.0

Hey Aizle, no kiddie porn, mkay. Even in Hellfire.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Eh? I don't know if you're trying to be funny and lighten the mood or something, but my post has absolutely nothing to do with kiddie porn.

Trying to be funny - you'll note I did not use Mod size or tincture.

However, the use of the word **** next to the words 2 year olds has more possible meaning than just the meaning of immaturity you intended.

It was also a stress relief. I was processing paperwork, a treatment placement for an alleged child porn 'possessor' recently. It is hard to get that stuff out of your head. Way too much detail in the request, though they redacted the idiot's name. He's eventually going to jail, no matter how rich mom and dad are. Making jokes about the sick things that pass through your life is a time honored technique for dealing with stress.

For the record, the crime related to the thread would be the unsafe shortcuts taken that caused the explosion, in a criminal negligence and manslaughter vein. With what we know so far, nobody in their right mind would believe that BP wanted to blow up the rig or kill their employees. Project managers taking unsafe risks to get a job done is pretty common in any field. The company will have written policies and processes that forbid it, but if you get the job in and nobody finds out, who cares.

Didn't work out this time. Crucify the surviving idiots who made those unsafe decisions, make the company liable for the damage and recovery - and ensure that compensation happens, then move on. Take the lessons learned and use them for future decisions, like don't drill for oil where you can't contain a spill to a very small area.

In the building I work in there is a 'branch office' of the Department of Fish and Game. This 'branch' is Oil Spill Prevention and Recovery. Our people are pretty good, the feds are paying for rotating teams of them to go to Louisiana and Florida to train people in OSPR techniques, from containment booms to vacuuming the oil up to bird and other wildlife washing, to cleaning sand I guess. It is a team effort. The feds have flown people in from several states with experience in oil spills, its not like our people are the only ones. It is a damn huge area to cover, and people will be cleaning up from this spill for years.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Ok, no worries Micheal. I hear ya on the stress relief part.

If you don't know if anything illegal occurred, and it's "entirely possible" that nothing illegal occurred, launching a criminal investigation is, wait for it - a witch hunt.
Moron.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

And if you had any level of reading comprehension, you'd see that I never suggested a criminal investigation.

Anyway, I'm through attempting to tard wrangle. Believe what you want to believe.

Hey, I have a 2 year old at home, and I'm rather fond of him. I'm not going to sit idly by while you insult him like this.

I demand an apology.

And yet again Aizle resorts to the time tested schoolyard tactic of huffing and puffing and saying, "I'm getting angry..." when backed into an intellectual corner.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Yup, be sure to hurl insults over your shoulder while you run away; it's a time-tested way of showing your maturity level.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

x10

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Get it right, two step and let your shoulder lean!

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

taunt taunt taunt taunt

Yep. It's a ranger board.

You forgot kick and flame lick!

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Aizle, if you mean that during the course of a root cause investigation, which can only legally investigate the technical aspects of the accident, sufficient reason surfaces to launch a criminal investigation, then yes, that's possible. Mind you, BP (with the aid of whatever resources it wishes to contract) should be conducting such a report.

However, you clearly posted that determing whether or not criminal activity occurred should be a forefront effort whether that was your intention or not.

That cannot happen, although that's not to say it won't.

I can tell the result of working in an industry where a knee-jerk post accident response created a monolithic, governmental oversight nightmare. That result is we are about three decades behind the rest of the world in commercial nuclear power generation technology and currently, it is cheaper to use natural gas. It also means the nuclear industry is on the forefront of lobbying for cap and trade and other carbon gas emission regulations. Sad.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Entangling Weeds

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

When Khross stated that "an investigation should be determining is what happened. The fact that you think criminality or oversight/regulation fall anywhere into the equation presumptively is problematic." and Aizle asserted that "No, it's called being thorough. I don't believe that they have or haven't happened, but we need to investigate the possibility.", I couldn't help but have the impression that being "thorough" includes a criminal investigation since he seems to disagree with just determining what happened.

But people sometimes express themselves in ways that lead to misunderstandings, so I won't cast stones. Also, one should always give an opportunity for retreat to one's adversaries...

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Maybe it's just symantics, but I really see all of those as one an the same at some level. Yes, there are legal procedures and requirements to go through, and they absolutely need to be followed. However, as you begin to investigate what happened, and (hypothetically) come across informations that leads you to suspect that something criminal occurred, then the investigation should expand to include that element. If you don't come across anything that leads you to believe anything criminal happened, then obviously you don't have a criminal investigation.

I fail to see how what I wrote says anything different than that, or why that is somehow unreasonable.

Then you haven't been paying attention - to anyone's posts, including your own.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Under what authority would you conduct this investigation? 'Cause I gotta tell you, unless it's compelled I doubt if BP will be opening it's doors... and if you DO compel them to provide access without probably cause, you've screwed the pooch (in my opinion) and can't use anything you've found to prosecute.

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Honestly I'm not sure. I would assume that the regulatory agencies that oversee offshore drilling have some level of authority to conduct investigations, but that's just an assumption.

It seems to me that the causes for the failures of the safety systems and the ensuing disaster are well-known; any investigation would be for purposes other than determining cause.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

I don't know the jurisdictional range, but something like OSHA would normally have the ability to conduct an investigation anytime a worker is injured or killed.

That said, the illegal activity that has been alluded to, but not recently, involved the governmental oversight/regulatory group in charge of these enterprises.

Since Obama split up the Minerals Management Service, I'm sure that's all been taken care of now, Ladas.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Yeah, convenient how the governmental agency in charge of this activity was quietly eliminated while at the same time calling for more oversight to prevent this kind of thing from happening again.

There have also been some reports from survivors of the rig explosion that BP was ordering them to cut corners.