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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:32 am 
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So as some of you may know from me posting the pic in the picture thread I have been dating someone, we were dating for 3 months, the relationship got very serious and commited pretty quickly and she had started looking into schools around me and was planning on moving here in a year (she lives in Wisconsin) to move into together and go to school was something she brought up on her own, not something I brought up.

Well now all of a sudden she broke up with me (thru IM's none the less) but her reason felt more of a cop out, saying that she didn't have time for me especially when school started and we live so far away from each other and it wasn't fair for me, of course these issues were there from the begining and were known.

Well we've talked some since than and she's said she was scared about how focused my life is around here and then last night she said something about never commiting to anything so I think it's pretty clear it's commitment issues on her part, I know she still loves me and I know she's very stressed about stuff going on right now, her aunt getting sick, figuring out what to do about affording school, etc, and she said she wasn't giving up on me and us but was giving up on herself so it seems that she's so stressed and at the time it was the easy thing to do giving our distance appart and doing it thru IM's, even if it wasn't what she wanted which I don't believe is.

So now i'm trying to figured out what to do and how to make it work cause i'm not ready to give up on her, she was suposed to be coming out here for 10 days in just over a week and i'm trying to convince her to still come because I think once we're face to face it's going to change things because she has feelings for me still, but that depends on her actually coming. My other thought at the moment is if she doesn't driving out there even though it's a 19 hour drive to see her and talk to her face to face.

Right now i'm struggling really hard because we are still talking, basically like we always have and if we're truly done then I can't keep doing that as it's so painful for me, but without talking to her I can't try to fix things, so I don't know what else to do :/


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Basically when I've gotten that from guys it usually meant they found someone else but didn't want to hurt my feelings.
If it were me, I would give her the space it seems like she is asking for and if she genuinely cares for and misses you, she'll come around.
And by space I don't mean let yourself be put in the "friend zone" either. Set some boundaries...continuing to "talk like you always have" sort of sets yourself up, imho, to be used and says that you are ok with her having all the emotional benefits of a committed relationship with none of the effort or, well, commitment.

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From a male perspective:

You cannot "fix" someone else and their issues. Back off and make yourself less available, give her time to miss what you two have/had. You've already thrown yourself out there and pursuing further will just reinforce her view that you are too centered around her (crowding, etc). Now it is time for her to examine her life without you and determine if it was better with you in it. Not backing off just reinforces her feelings that you are stifling.

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Hmm, ok, I guess i'm even more confused because it seems everyone is giving me different advice, lol.

I don't think she's dating someone else and that's why, I suppose I could be wrong but i'm pretty sure that isn't the case.

The weird thing is even though it seems she's having commitment issues she was the one pushing the relationship forward always, She kissed me first, she said she loved me first, she was the one that talked about moving here and moving in with me, really the only thing that she didn't intiate was sex and that's only because I told her early on that's not something I was just going to do right away, not till I was comfortable in the relationship.


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If I heard someone say that to me, I'd be pretty sure I had moved too quickly. I had a bad habit of that early in my life. After I learned to let the other person commit before I expressed my feelings (only a fraction of how they expressed them till MUCH later) I never heard that again. Well, unless you count my divorces that is. ;)

I don't believe that control comes from loving less, but it sure comes from waiting till the time is right

I would suggest just sitting back and let her do all the "work" from now on. Play hard to get, and make it stick. You've been burned by someone who runs hot and cold, so put the monkey on her back, let her come to you and prove she's not going to run cold again before you give her any indication you're receptive to more than a casual conversation. Biggest thing is making it stick - discipline yourself to not showing your cards.

If that sounds like a game, congratulations! You've figuredit out! She's playing one, and the only way you'll be part of her life is if you play one too. If you don't want to play games, you need to find someone else, cause she's making the rules at this point.

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If I heard someone say that to me, I'd be pretty sure I had moved too quickly. I had a bad habit of that early in my life. After I learned to let the other person commit before I expressed my feelings (only a fraction of how they expressed them till MUCH later) I never heard that again. Well, unless you count my divorces that is. ;)


Yup, but as I said I let her make all the commitments first, i'm far to timid and afraid of rejection to make them first, so commitment wise things moved at her pace.


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The other thing to consider, Sasandra, is how much relationship experience has she had? She may have let things move seemingly at her pace, but that doesn't mean she was comfortable with it. I made many errors in setting the pace of a relationship when I was younger.
I know it stinks, but I think playing it cool on your end for the time being is probably the wisest move.

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The other thing to consider, Sasandra, is how much relationship experience has she had?


She's been in many more relationships than me and was already married once.


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Sasandra wrote:
LadyKate wrote:
The other thing to consider, Sasandra, is how much relationship experience has she had?


She's been in many more relationships than me and was already married once.


Well, maybe she didn't learn from her experiences? I dunno.
If you take 2 weeks and don't call her let her call you, when she calls be polite but vague and brief and politely excuse yourself after a minute or two and end the conversation (I'd love to chat but I've got to get these brownies out of the oven before they burn and the dog is dying to go for a walk, but good to hear from you chat later k bye!), and don't answer the phone every time she calls (sorry, I was out bowling/lunching/church/insert active social life activity here)....basically you gotta play hard to get and if she doesn't go for the bait after a couple of weeks then its time to walk away.

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here's a quick article on the subject:




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Many men and women in an attempt to create that sense of mystery, unfamiliarity, and the thrill of the chase end up becoming too elusive (playing impossible to get) that the other person assumes they’re not interested or the other person after a while gets tired, gives up and moves on.

The whole point of “playing hard to get" is to demonstrate your VALUE to others and you can’t do that by being too available (clingy, needy or eager to please) nor by simply making yourself unavailable (saying "no" all the time or making yourself too scarce) or even by being overly aggressive ( being manipulative, demanding or controlling). You demonstrate VALUE by creating a sense of exclusiveness (exceptional and extraordinary).



Creating that sense of “exclusiveness" requires:

1) A wise and intelligent awareness about what you are doing

Look at it this way—you’re the owner of a luxurious brand who wants to confer an image of superior quality to a buyer. You are not going to achieve this by using “open house," (I’m desperate, I will take anyone) or “permanently out of stock" (don’t take calls, cancel dates, try to make him or her jealous etc) methods. You confer an image of superior quality by a good understanding of yourself first and foremost.

Self-awareness is the key. I cannot stress this enough. Self-awareness especially awareness of your sexual imprint (why you are attracted to certain people and not others, why you behave the way you behave, why you fear what you fear, why you believe what you believe and do what you do etc) will enable you direct your energy in positive ways, make the right decisions and maintain balance and moderation.

2) Knowledge of what appeals to a particular man or woman

Each and everyone of us has a uniquely personalized set of things that naturally attract or repel us sexually and erotically. How do you figure out what attracts or repels a particular man or woman? One, by asking questions... lots of them. Ask questions with the intention of finding out what makes him or her tick - his or her own sexual imprint. And two, by doing things that make him or her feel that you truly and genuinely understand him or her as a unique individual. When you tap into the deepest and sometimes most forbidden desires, fantasies, and passions of a person, it is possible to spend just five minutes with him or her and create such strong attraction that he or she later on, on their own, recalls the experience with good feelings about seeing and being with you again. It's this "good feelings" that fuel the chase.

3) Ability to make someone feel special without seeming too needy or eager to please

If somebody is going to chase you, they want to know with some degree of certainty that you are worth the chase. There’s nothing that is a bigger turnoff for both men and women than someone who is predictable, not much of a challenge, too rigid or controlling, desperate or too eager to please, incurably negative and downright boring. The person must feel that you’re worth his or her time and energy and what he or she is chasing is not something he or she can easily get on the street corner but rather something offered to only a “privileged" few. Men and women want to feel that you're valuable and only those who deserve it will earn you as a reward. It’s kind of like a “members only" exclusive club where the person being allowed in feels “they must be special". When you make someone feel special, they in return will feel you are also special.

4) Capacity to impact on someone's life so much that they are positively transformed as a result of knowing you

Really savvy and skilled brand creators take “exclusivity" one step further. They just don’t stop at “by invitation only" phase, but instead create an entire lifestyle. That is, they challenge a man or woman pursing them to become more of themselves and do more than they’d dared to do before. If your words, actions, and behaviours can actually make the person experience a very strong state of arousal, excitement or deep sense of peace creating strong memories those memories will be added to the person’s sexual imprint and so will you - forever.

Playing hard to get done the right way can be the most powerful form of seduction there is. And we all have the ability to craft transcendent experiences that can make our dates, lovers, and spouses feel they are flirting (literally!) with the unpredictable and the unknown in a most intense, agreeable, pleasing, charming, endearing, enticing, enlivening, and reality altering way.

Who wouldn’t want to spend eternity with someone like that?

If you are just getting to know a man or woman and not sure whether he or she is “playing hard to get" or just "not interested" see my article: How Do You Tell If Someone Is Playing Hard To Get Or Just Not Interested? (article can be found in the Articles section of my website under sub-heading The Art Of Seduction).

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Sigh, well was clicking on my bookmarks and accidentaly clicked okcupid under the one I ment to click, well I decided to check since she used to have an account on there, well she still does, it says single, it has an updated pic that I know was only taken a month ago and she was online last night, at the same time we were talking to add insult to injury :(


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Yup, but as I said I let her make all the commitments first, i'm far to timid and afraid of rejection to make them first, so commitment wise things moved at her pace.

For what it's worth, I'll throw my 2¢ at this ...

I understand being timid and afraid of rejection, but you can never let someone you want to attract know. It's great to have someone you can really be you with, someone you can trust with your deepest secrets... but that comes YEARS after the courting stage of a relationship, not days, weeks or months.

You can be timid, heck, you probably think your behavior screams timidity, but never admit to anything that others might consider a weakness. Ever.

People want partners they can count on.

So, when you think you're being timid and feel the need to explain yourself, just say that you're quiet. Instead of saying that you're afraid of rejection, tell them you're cautious about relationships.

You're a highly intelligent and beautiful young woman. Afraid to speak? Then smile and wink. Try it sometime. Play up your strong points and just let your weaker points go, you don't need to advertise them.

About this gal... just let things go. If it's going to happen, she needs to be the one to change and you can't make someone change.

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Sasandra wrote:
Sigh, well was clicking on my bookmarks and accidentaly clicked okcupid under the one I ment to click, well I decided to check since she used to have an account on there, well she still does, it says single, it has an updated pic that I know was only taken a month ago and she was online last night, at the same time we were talking to add insult to injury :(


I'm sorry. :( Are you ok?

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Not really, though I haven't been ok since she broke up with me, now it's just worse, I'm trying to think of any reason why she would update that aside from dating because it doesn't sound like something she would do at all, but I can't :(


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Not really, though I haven't been ok since she broke up with me, now it's just worse, I'm trying to think of any reason why she would update that aside from dating because it doesn't sound like something she would do at all, but I can't :(


Should maybe ask about it?

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She sounds like a player to be honest... Reel you in with promises, then keep you around for the benifits without ever fulfilling these promises...

I know you love her sass, but dating a commitment phobe (and she does sound like one) is one of the worst things ever to happen, I should know because I am one.

They want to commit and is always flirting with the idea of settling down, however as soon as that idea becomes possible and they see the shackles on the horizon they run for the boarder. However there's always that side of them that wants and hopes for commitment. It's a mental problem and not one you can fix in the short run.

If you really want to keep her around, you will need to take that possibility of commitment away. Make her do the chasing, like a frog in gradually boiling water, she'll need to boil her self. If you stay aloaf, she'll be hot and ready before you know it, however if you persue, you'll never run as fast as her.


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You are being too nice Lydiaa.

She sounds like a manipulator to me, and Sassy was too naive to realize she was being manipulated.

She made offers, like moving out there, to get you to make the same offer in return, and then she would have taken you up on it. She 'committed to you' quickly, but there was no depth to that commitment.

Now suddenly, she breaks it off, to get you to beg her to return to you.

Run, do not walk away away from this woman. I've dated straight women with equally low morals and tactics.

She is most likely a drama queen, which you may not have seen yet.

Does she owe you any money?

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Sasandra wrote:
Not really, though I haven't been ok since she broke up with me, now it's just worse, I'm trying to think of any reason why she would update that aside from dating because it doesn't sound like something she would do at all, but I can't :(


I'm sorry. *hugs* I've been there and so have probably many of us. It hurts and it sucks. You deserve much better.
Try to cut off all contact and try to stop being stuck in the denial phase and the bargaining phase of break-up grief....best not to drag it out and the more you dig the more you're gonna find stuff thats gonna hurt.
A healthy dose of anger would do well with your broken heart right now. You were used, she was actively seeking other people while giving you bs excuses, and you should be angry that someone would treat you that way.
Show her how much you are worth and cut her out of your life.

When you are healed and ready, there are plenty of healthy people out there looking for love too.

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She sounds like a manipulator to me, and Sassy was too naive to realize she was being manipulated.

She made offers, like moving out there, to get you to make the same offer in return, and then she would have taken you up on it. She 'committed to you' quickly, but there was no depth to that commitment.

Does she owe you any money?


Honestly while I am nice and relatively innocent i'm really not naive and can tell when i'm being manipulated and actually a very very good judge in character in the first place.

I did make the offer to move out there as well both decided it would be a lot easier for her moving here as she wanted to move away from WI anyways and while I could support her for some time till she got a job she couldn't do the same for me if I went there.

She does owe me some money but to me a relatively small amount, and in fairness she didn't want to take the money in the first place, she never asked, I offered, she refused, we fought about it for 2 weeks before she gave in and took it, and when I went out there she didn't want to let me pay for anything, the only reason I got to pay at all was because when they came with the check one time I grabbed it before she could, she definitely wasn't in it for the money.

And I doubt this is something she just regularly did, finding women to do that too cause for one thing it was a chance meeting type thing, it was on deviant art, I had followed her for like 2 years there then one day I posted on her page to say I was going to miss her art and one thing lead to another and we started dating, also in the begining I actually had one of her friends IM me and make sure I wasn't going to hurt her like her last girlfriend did.


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Sassy, what you have described as her actions indicate that she's done. You are the one who isn't. Stop trying to fix it.

It will only hurt more in the long run.

Gather up your pride and walk away.

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