The Glade 4.0

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin

100% of Illegal Immigrants are criminal. As such, it's pretty undeniably true they commit crime at a higher rate than the general population. Now, we can quibble over the rate over OTHER crimes, but illegally entering the country is a crime.

So basically it's a baseless assertion that draws a connection based on similar heritage that ignores a major difference in ethics to begin with. Gotcha.

The stats are pretty undeniable regarding legal immigrants. With regard to illegal immigrants, though, I grant that my statement was overly confident. It's obviously hard to get solid stats on what is, by definition, a semi-hidden population group. That said, most of the stats I've seen suggest the claim holds for illegals as well. It's a pretty easy Google for anyone that wants to check.

The briefing slides in enclosure I address each of our three questions.
In summary, for our study population of 55,322 illegal aliens, we found that:

* They were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.

* They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly one and half times more offenses than arrests.[Footnote 6] Almost all of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than 1 offense. Slightly more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between 2 and 10 offenses. About 45 percent of all offenses were drug or immigration offenses. About 15 percent were property-related offenses such as burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and property damage. About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes. The balance was for such other offenses as traffic violations, including driving under the influence; fraud--including forgery and counterfeiting; weapons violations; and
obstruction of justice.

* Eighty percent of all arrests occurred in three states--California, Texas, and Arizona. Specifically, about 58 percent of all arrests occurred in California, 14 percent in Texas, and 8 percent in Arizona.

Indiana University economist Eric Rasmusen has culled figures from a 2005 GAO report on foreigners incarcerated in Federal and state prisons to calculate that illegal immigrants commit 21% of all crime in the United States, costing the country more than $84 billion.

I don't know why you guys seem so convinced that Democrats are purely cynical operators, playing the race card for their own electoral gain, yet you're so resistant to the idea that Republicans might be just as cynically manipulating their (white) base on the same racially charged issues. I mean come on! If there's any universal truth we can all agree on here, it's that politicians of all parties are manipulative, soulless bastards, right?

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin

Uhh, Taskiss, the study population in that GAO report was illegal immigrants already in jail for committing a crime. Not exactly a representative sample of the population as a whole! And the rest of that Time article cites studies showing exactly the opposite conclusions from the Rasmusen study.

I don't know why you guys seem so convinced that Democrats are purely cynical operators, playing the race card for their own electoral gain, yet you're so resistant to the idea that Republicans might be just as cynically manipulating their (white) base on the same racially charged issues. I mean come on! If there's any universal truth we can all agree on here, it's that politicians of all parties are manipulative, soulless bastards, right?

I don't know why you guys seem so convinced that Democrats are purely cynical operators, playing the race card for their own electoral gain, yet you're so resistant to the idea that Republicans might be just as cynically manipulating their (white) base on the same racially charged issues. I mean come on! If there's any universal truth we can all agree on here, it's that politicians of all parties are manipulative, soulless bastards, right?

Facism is not a school of thought, it is a racial slur.

The hypocrisy of this statement is a bit over the top RD, considering the statements you made in this very thread about Republican actions for the last X decades, as if it was all one sided.

More to the point, I asked you this question: how do you reconcile the century of Democratic Party history between 1850 and 1950? I mean, really, that kind of thing matters.

Sorry, missed that question. You mean with regards to race - i.e. how do I reconcile the idea of Dems being the party of minority interests today when they were the party of segregation for most of their history?

Facism is not a school of thought, it is a racial slur.

Not sure why this thread is getting under your skin so much, Ladas. You and I don't usually butt heads much. My earlier statements were specifically related to Rori's comment that he didn't know why Republicans have such a bad rep among immigrants and minorities. Hence the focus. I freely admit Dems use racial/tribal appeals from the opposite side. *shrug*

I don't know why you guys seem so convinced that Democrats are purely cynical operators, playing the race card for their own electoral gain, yet you're so resistant to the idea that Republicans might be just as cynically manipulating their (white) base on the same racially charged issues. I mean come on! If there's any universal truth we can all agree on here, it's that politicians of all parties are manipulative, soulless bastards, right?

Honestly, even if it is true, remember that both legal and illegal immigrants face a very high risk of deportation if they are caught committing a crime. The illegals because they'll be found to be illegal, and the legals because it's surprisingly easy to get deported for even minor crimes. Being convicted of a class-A misdemeanor gets a lot of legal immigrants deported, it doesn't even need to be a felony.

Yes, actually, since even contemporary behavior indicates they aren't for real minority interest.

Facism is not a school of thought, it is a racial slur.

Facism is not a school of thought, it is a racial slur.

*shrug* Ok.

The stats are pretty undeniable regarding legal immigrants. With regard to illegal immigrants, though, I grant that my statement was overly confident. It's obviously hard to get solid stats on what is, by definition, a semi-hidden population group. That said, most of the stats I've seen suggest the claim holds for illegals as well. It's a pretty easy Google for anyone that wants to check.

The reality is that immigrants, both legal and illegal, commit crimes at a lower rate than American citizens...

Uhh, Taskiss, the study population in that GAO report was illegal immigrants already in jail for committing a crime. Not exactly a representative sample of the population as a whole! And the rest of that Time article cites studies showing exactly the opposite conclusions from the Rasmusen study.

No, I'm just not going to waste a bunch of time Googling stats and studies that you guys are going to read in bad faith and then pick apart anyway. I've been down that road too many times here. The numbers are easy to come by if you're genuinely interested. If you're not, feel free to assume I'm making sh*t up.

Facism is not a school of thought, it is a racial slur.