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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:44 pm 
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/29/ma ... llegiance/

Can not seem to find any teachers familiar with it, even on a voluntary basis.

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When Sean Harrington entered his freshman year at Arlington High School, he noticed something peculiar: There were no American flags in the classrooms, and no one recited the Pledge of Allegiance.

So Harrington enlisted the aid of his fellow students, and now, three years later, they have succeeded in getting flags installed in the classrooms. But the pledge still will not be recited.

The Arlington, Mass., school committee has rejected the 17-year-old's request to allow students to voluntarily recite the Pledge of Allegiance, because some educators are concerned that it would be hard to find teachers willing to recite it, according to a report in the Arlington Patch.

Harrington had presented school officials with a petition signed by 700 people, along with letters of support from lawmakers including Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., and Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.

But the request to have the pledge recited failed when the committee's vote ended in a 3-3 tie.

"I was really heartbroken," Harrington told FOX News Radio. "It's hard to think that something so traditional in American society was turned down."

His fight has received quite a bit of support from the community. "When I was going to school, it was an honor and a privilege to pledge allegiance to the flag," Francis De Guglielmo, 55, told the Patch. He called the ban an "absolute travesty" and a "disgrace."

Harrington, who will be a senior in the fall, said he will continue to fight. "I'm not a person who quits and I don't back down. It's a very righteous cause and needs to be followed through until the end."

Some committee members voiced concerns about forcing people to do something that might violate their beliefs – including religious beliefs. Among the no-votes was committee member Leba Heigham.

"Patriotism is a very personal thing for all of us, but I do not think it is in the school committee's best interest to mandate that any of our employees recite the pledge," she told the Patch.

Harrington said the recitation would have been strictly voluntary.

"If we can't find one teacher who is willing to say the pledge, then the system we have is cracked," he told FOX News Radio, noting that a number of teachers signed his petition.

He said the school's ban on the pledge sends the wrong message. "It tells me that we've basically cast aside what our country is founded on," he said. "It's saying that we don't really care, and it's sad."

Arlington's superintendent of schools did not return a call for comment.

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This whole thing is pretty much crap. If he really wants to say the pledge that bad he can do it on his own time. There's no reason to waste time in school for this.

First off, if they actually set time aside in the day to recite it and have the teacher lead the class in reciting it, it is no longer optional, peer pressure being what it is. Second, requiring public school teachers to recite, "under God" as a condition of employment is probably unconstitutional to begin with. And finally, a "privilege?" Really? Privilege implies that it's something that you want to do which can be taken away as a punishment. Have you ever heard of a teenager being punished via having their privilege of pledge-recital being revoked?


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Id much rather the public schools waste my money trying to educate than getting people to blindly drone on an oath of servitude to a system they do not understand.

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An individual school board decided not to partake in the pledge. I don't think a higher government authority should force it on an individual school board just the same as one should not deny of it of an individual school board.

However I do wish the person all the best in this. It's probably time to encourage people sympathetic to his possition to run for school board, and support them.

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Elmarnieh wrote:
Id much rather the public schools waste my money trying to educate than getting people to blindly drone on an oath of servitude to a system they do not understand.

Don't think we've ever agreed more.


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Lenas wrote:
Elmarnieh wrote:
Id much rather the public schools waste my money trying to educate than getting people to blindly drone on an oath of servitude to a system they do not understand.

Don't think we've ever agreed more.

That's because you don't understand anything. IN YOUR FACE!

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If we went back to the original pledge of alliegance, instead of the christian bastardized version, I'd perhaps have some sympathy for his plight.


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Aizle wrote:
If we went back to the original pledge of alliegance, instead of the christian bastardized version, I'd perhaps have some sympathy for his plight.


I'm not a religious person but I've never had a problem saying the Pledge of Allegiance, "christian bastardized version" or not. IF there is a God out there, he already knows how I feel, and if there isn't a God out there, who cares?

As for the OP...it takes what? maybe 2-3 minutes out of the day to recite the Pledge of Allegiance? Why does a teacher have to lead it? Can't the students that want to recite it do so before class starts?? I mean, hell, every school I ever attended had a flag pole out front...why not stand there and say the Pledge??

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The Pledge was a standard part of my schooling every day from K through 12. I don't think we ever thought anything of it, good or bad. It was just something we did, with the sole exception of one girl who was a bit of an outcast to begin with. I remember students definitely being nudged into doing it, but I'd say the nudging was always just for kids who were not doing it to be cool or whatever... i.e. not for any political or religious reasons.

Thinking about it in the past year or two though, it is kinda... almost creepy. And I'm not even talking about the 'under God' part of it.


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On a scale of "meh" to "what the hell were they thinking", teaching kids allegiance to the nation they live in doesn't move the meter.

Of course, I don't get that little tickle in my no-no spot from taking umbrage the way many do. I suppose if I did, I'd lash out in ignorance too.

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My experience is quite in line with Noggel's, to be honest. And people chanting anything, anywhere just creeps me the hell out.


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Lenas wrote:
Elmarnieh wrote:
Id much rather the public schools waste my money trying to educate than getting people to blindly drone on an oath of servitude to a system they do not understand.

Don't think we've ever agreed more.


Word up, ****.

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FarSky wrote:
My experience is quite in line with Noggel's, to be honest. And people chanting anything, anywhere just creeps me the hell out.


This.

That said, state and federal flags in the classroom are appropriate.


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