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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
I haven't looked. Again, what I'm getting at is that if there are no toxins, dangerous to human health, then the fishery should be reopened quickly, because there will be nothing to "build up" in the tissue of humans to the point where it's dangerous. I suspect that there will be toxicity issues, and that parts of the fishery will be closed for a significant period.


Hence my point (bolding mine). Toxins dangerous to human health =/ large scale and long term damage to the coastal marshes themselves.

I'm not arguing that there are not chemically toxic effects associated with oil spills.

I'm arguing that the level of these toxins is not usually of a level to cause widespread harm to the local environment. Rather, the widespread damage is due to the physical toxicity of the oil, and the chemical toxicity does not bioaccumulate in any of the local flora or fauna enough to cause damage, and is slowly diluted out.

Hence, the damage to the environment is primarily short term (~5 years), with longer term implications seen to human use of the environment- although it is definitely possible that we'll be fishing from these waters again with no restrictions in 5 years.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:21 am 
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NephyrS wrote:
For reference, I'm waiting for thisstudy to be finished in the next few days as to the extent of pollution in the water. They collected water samples from a wide area, and throughout the water column that are currently being analyzed.

The initial report from the NOAA research vessel is interesting, in large part due to the huge number of natural seeps they discovered in the area surrounding the deepwater horizon well.

It's also quite fascinating how they are using modified ultrasound to detect oil patches in the water- quite innovative.


It's always interesting to hear about the innovations resulting from emergencies, wars, etc. A bit of a silver lining I guess.


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Here's an interesting graphic from BBC, for info.

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Do I know that this isn't a huge disaster? No, so I'm not contending it isn't. But what I do know is that I don't have enough information, and neither do the people handing out the information, to know that it IS, either.

Now, maybe you don't mind being told what to do by people who don't have a clue what's really going on, but I kind of bristle at it.


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Now, maybe you don't mind being told what to do by people who don't have a clue what's really going on, but I kind of bristle at it.


Heh.... reminds me of a manager I worked for until fairly recently :p


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Bumping this with a recent article I read on how safe Louisiana Seafood is to eat, thought the last paragraph tied in well with our earlier discussion, bolding mine.

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Louisiana seafood is “absolutely” safe to eat, says Tulane toxicologist LuAnn White, despite public fears regarding contamination after the catastrophic Gulf oil spill.

“Certainly, the spill could have a major ecological and economical impact on our fisheries,” says White, director of the Tulane Center for Applied Environmental Public Health, part of the Tulane School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine. “However, the state health department is doing everything it can to make sure that this doesn’t become a human health issue.”

The state’s seafood monitoring program closes fishing areas where oil is sighted, chemically tests thousands of seafood specimens and performs sensory analysis to detect any contamination at docks and processors. This three-tier line of defense makes contamination unlikely in anything that gets to market, according to White.

“There may be shortages in Louisiana seafood, because prime areas are not being fished right now,” she says. “But any fish, oyster, crab or shrimp that gets to a restaurant or grocery store is safe, and the quality will be the same, or maybe even better.”

Even so, the sniff test remains the “gold standard” for detecting seafood, White says.

“The human nose is actually the best oil detection tool we have available,” she says. “If the seafood was contaminated, you would smell and taste the oil.”

Previous spills in Oregon and Texas have shown that increased levels of hydrocarbons in seafood did little harm because concentrations were low. Even if tainted fish is eaten, the oil is not highly toxic and someone would have to eat “tons” of seafood over decades to experience harm, according to White.

“You may get a stomach ache, but the oil actually isn’t highly toxic,” she says. “It’s like your grandmother told you — ‘If it doesn’t smell good, don’t eat it.’”


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I love Bash.

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<AnnoDomini> The British, after biding their time for 237 years, have struck back.


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Aizle wrote:
I love Bash.

<AnnoDomini> See, Americans dumped English tea into Boston Bay.
<AnnoDomini> The British, after biding their time for 237 years, have struck back.



Hah, that's pretty good.

Where you been?

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Vacation for a week and a half followed up by some work travel. Good to be sleeping in my own bed again.


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