The Glade 4.0

We're all already in agreement that the guy is a retard for not taking the job with no other offers over five months. There is no more discussion to be had about him.

If you want some relevance to the question, I asked because I was curious if $40k would be enough for his parents to kick his stupid *** out and not worry about him starving to death while he tries to pay off bills he can't afford.

I doubt they want to house him for another five years while he amasses his own little fortune.

It depends on the quality of life you want, as well as the area you live in.

I did a ForRent.com search for Boston and saw apartment prices for a 1-2 bedroom for 1500-1900.

But by changing to my old town of Fall River: I saw prices go to 900-1300 for a 1 to 2 bedroom apartment. My current insurance coverage would be about $25 a month less.

There are probably much more affordable places to live in Mass. though; or the neighboring RI.

Example: the job he was offered was in Worcester. I found an apartment on For Rent.com for 900 a month for a 2 bedroom, 600 for a studio and 700-790 for a 1 bedroom.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

I have a friend who used to work for the Red Sox in their NESN offices, and made 35k annually. He lived a 5 minute walk from Fenway in a 2 bedroom apartment he shared with another one of my friends who was working his way through law school at Harvard, making less money than the first friend. They both lived comfortably enough for two men in their early to mid 20's entering the beginning stages of their careers.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Mea culpa for what?

I've already stated that he's probably in for a rude awakening about what level of salary he's going to be able to expect.

My cousin and her fiance live in Chicago, and I doubt either of them make more than 40k per year.

Get a roommate and he's set.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

I think his attitude is great!

My kids will never have problems with idiots like this as their competition.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Also, while Massachusetts is a bit above average on the whole, and Boston is up there on the expensive end (for the non-NYC East Coast, at least), Worcester isn't Boston by any means.

And I'm surprised DFK! hasn't mentioned "5 resumes a week" as one of his shortcomings.

What really astounds me is that this kid, as a 24 year old living off his parents' goodwill, rejected the job offer before talking to them about it. I'm sorry, but that's not how *I* was brought up.

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"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

There are currently six applicants for every available job in this country. I keep getting the impression people think that folks who are unemployed just aren't trying hard enough. I have a hard time accepting that idea given the ratio of available jobs to applicants.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

What the **** does this have to do with a thread about someone turning down a job that they were OFFERED for a GOOD salary in a depression?

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

People turn down jobs all the time. I recently turned down a gig because the money was not worth the time investment for the job. It happens. My comment was more a general comment on the overall attitude I keep sensing, and the attitude that is brewing in the conservative media (and thusly, here).

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Sure.

And this thread is about how stupid it is to turn down a job with good money when you've been unemployed for 5 months, and how sad it is in relation to the people that would love to be able to have a similar job.

How that have anything to do with discussing people who turn down good jobs being a source of unemployment, specifically in the 18-29 bracket?

I guess I'm still struggling to find the relevance of your first comment to this thread, or the article it is discussing.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

It isn't always smart to take the first position offered to you. It may not be a good match. It may not have any potential for upward mobility. It may not offer health benefits.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

But how does this comment relate to whether or not you should take an offered job?

$40k per year beats unemployment every time. Especially when its on the upper end of the income range for your particular training, and is exceptionally close to the town you live in.

Maybe it wasn't a great fit, but people being so picky about finding a job with the perfect fit for them definitely is a contributing factor to our unemployment rate, as this article demonstrates.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

You can buy a lot of benefits for $40 K a year.

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In time, this too shall pass.

This is such a stupid statement. Nothing precludes taking a job and getting another one later. Again: Some income better than no income.

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The Dude abides.

He is 5 or 6 months out of college, with a BA in a fairly useless field. He turned down the job he was offered because he is holding out for a job that he is not qualified for, as well as a pay range that he is not qualified for.

Unless you are saying that you are as useful as a poopy flavored lollipop... there is really no comparison between yourself and him.

Also what the **** does your comment about the conservative media have to do with dick all about this thread? The bulk of the opinion here is that he should have taken what he was offered... How in the hell does your comment serve as anything other than a douchey jackoff attempt at a jab against others?

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

It's universal knowledge that your first job is just the stepping stone before you get on the ladder. You're cheap labour and companies only hire you cause of that, anything else you want, you'll have to prove yourself before it...

Seriously 40k is a pretty good first job, even for Sydney where it's stupidly expensive to live.

Personally I believe experience > any piece of paper beyond bachlor...

Not really. Experience is no substitute for a PhD, in any form. Nor is it a substitute for an MD, or a JD, honestly.

I should clarify: Experience will not teach you the things that advanced degrees will. Similarly, advanced degrees will not teach you what experience will.

Very rarely can they be compared- someone with a PhD in economics will rarely if ever be competing for a job with someone who has a lesser degree (bachelors, say), but more experience.

::edit:: Found the exact quote, it's from a comp sci professor at Stanford:

"Good Ph.D. students are extreme in their creativity and self-motivation. Master's students are equally smart but do not have the same drive to create something new. The master's takes you where others have been; the doctorate, where no one has gone before."

I find it to be quite true. PhDs, for the most part, are about fostering innovation, determination, and patience. That doesn't mean it always works (hence we often look at others and wonder "How did THEY get a PhD??"), but that is the goal, and it is quite often succesful.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Difference in cultures I guess... Over here the only people who do PhDs are the ones who either 1) want to get into a uni teaching/research position or 2) can't find a job.

It's normal to study your masters or PhD while on the middle to upper rangs of the coporate ladder, subsidized or paid for by your company.

If you try to find your first commercial job with a PhD, you only get hired like if you only had a bachlors...

Interesting. None of the PhD's I know in Australia share that sentiment, and are finding entry level salaries much higher with a PhD than they would have without.

Granted, I'm sure it depends what your PhD is in, but in the sciences (the Aussies I know are in Geology or Chemistry) you get payed a decent amount more and can move much farther in a company much faster with a PhD than a Bachelors.

Take Google in the US here- they have a policy of preferentially hiring people with PhDs in ANYTHING (related or not) for any of the jobs they have open. And they pay more if you have a PhD.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

But then, it's also important to remember that a PhD (as opposed to a masters) is a distinctly hands on degree, and at most programs you cannot graduate until you have been able to demonstrate a sizable and unique contribution to your field.

Hence why it meshes very well with most industry. In your PhD you show that you can do a lot of very practical stuff with relatively little money.

Most companies like that a lot.

In Chemistry, it's relatively hard to find a job that makes over $50k with a BS. With a PhD, industry jobs pay well over 6 figures, and I always see openings.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Interesting... it can't just be me >.<

When I got my current job, I won it over 2 PhDs (not that the manager ever told me why). (science/medicine field) I've always found that while the public sectors prefered higher education, the commercial sectors prefered experience.

I will admit that once you're in, a PhD ensures that you move further and faster (cause you don't need to study) but I guess it's also person dependent.

I'd go and do my masters eventually, but I'm really not that much of a study person *sigh*

/shakes fist, stop editing on me lol!
I think you're right on the practical factor, good thing my field is more dependent on verbal communication, thus why it's not as advantagous to be a book worm...

Haha, sorry about the edits.

I think it is probably fairly strongly field dependent.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

True as far as it goes, but remember that this first job would have required him to move, find someplace to live, etc. I know when I was hiring people, I looked down upon people who were only at certain jobs for a short period of time, as it looked like they were going to jump at the next bright shiny job that came along, instead of focusing on the work at hand and advancing within their current company.

From the impression I got reading the article, that's not the reason he turned down the job.

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In time, this too shall pass.