The Glade 4.0

Won't happen.

Why?

Because of this all-too-real phenomenon.

Well, that's half the equation, Farsky.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

A huge part of that is actually just pattern. The Glade dropped off my regular visits. Another reason I don't respond a lot, in addition to not regularly surfing to the board, is because I can pretty much predict what the responses will be, who will make them, and that they simply aren't going to take my word for it.

I roll in, I see some blatantly incorrect stuff, I say my peace, and move on. I simply don't type the site into my address bar when surfing like I used to. It's healthier.

I think it's hilarious how some folks just go crazy about me saying..well..anything here. Nothing I am saying is insane or extreme. It's basic economics. I know it's not the kind of economics that are generally accepted as legitimate on this board, but it is the sort of economics that are generally accepted as legitimate pretty much everywhere in the world. It's macroeconomics, it's demand-side, and it's correct.

Yes, Khross is going to disagree with that assessment vehemently, but he's wrong. People who say that starving a starving person is the way to make that person healthy are also wrong.

Looking over the posts since I left, it's pretty clear this place has devolved into a Tea-Party echo chamber, with very little dissent left. Some masochists have remained, or come back. But for the most part, the accepted reality here is not one that meshes with actual reality. I mean, people here are *still* talking about the Birther conspiracy theories as if they have merit. That's not intended to be a slam, just a statement of observation.

So, If you *like* your echo chamber, and you don't want any real challenge to your constructed reality, then by all means don't respond to me. I've never really had a problem with that. I'll drop in when I feel like it, I'll say what I feel like saying, and if you don't like it, then so be it. No skin off my back, and it doesn't have to be any skin off yours.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

I never met anyone that crazy the 20 years I lived in Vermont...

After he had drank too much real tea.

I think god has diabetes or something.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Translation:

"I'm going to troll because I love to tweak all the people who own my *** on the Glade."

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

I was wondering if/how you'd reply to that, actually. So, who votes for Bernie Sanders?

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This cold and dark tormented hell
Is all I`ll ever know
So when you get to heaven
May the devil be the judge

No, that's pretty much the whole of it.

A whole is equal to the sum of its parts.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Actually, Aethien, my perspective is from *me*. Now, I won't argue that I learned a lot living in Madison. But I also lived in and around Nashville, Cincinnati, and a whole bunch of other places, and currently live in San Antonio. My perspective was formed like most people's perspectives - from a combination of my upbringing and my experiences. Simplifying it to a particular liberal city doesn't really paint an accurate picture.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

The funny thing is you've learned so much that isn't so.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

No, I've learned a lot that you find to be offensive. However, just because you find something offensive to your sensibilities doesn't mean it isn't true.

Demand-side is correct, and supply side was proven incorrect. Laissez-faire economics was proven incorrect with the Great Depression, and Kaynes was proven correct. Just because disproved ideologies haven't died out doesn't make them right. It just means they haven't snuffed it completely.

The Civil war was not a war of northern aggression, no matter what you might have been told. And Ronald Reagan didn't save the economy with supply side economics - he did it with Demand side government spending because his Tax Cuts *failed* to do what he was told they would do.

The Community Reinvestment Act did not cause the housing bubble to burst, nor was it the fault of Fannie May and Freddy Mac.

But I'm certainly not going to be able to convince you with the facts. Your reality continues to tell you that Obama is a communist, so I doubt we can ever find common ground.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

But unemployment is a way to increase demand/jobs?

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In time, this too shall pass.

Thank you Monte. I couldn't have defended my position with any more eloquence and certainly not nearly as much mirth.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I didn't say Vermont wasn't full of loony libs, just that it wasn't full of Monties (and I grew up in the same town as Goddard College, where some of the looniest of the loonies are)

The really awful thing about the people voting for Bernie Sanders and the like is they tend to vote Republican/conservative locally...

As a new person here I don't have an opinion on Monte, but I did come to this place from another forum ruined by the majority running off anyone they didn't think fit the right political mold. The did so by countering their every argument by calling them a "liberal socialist fag". It left the forum still has 60 hard core right wingers, with 5 or 6 libertarians, and 2 or 3 liberals with thick skin baiting each other.

Makes for a boring forum unless you have a mean streak.

Opinions are just, that why let them bother you?

I wonder how long 'till the Liberal discontent with Obama and rejection of his economic policies trickles down to KOS and starts coming out of Monte's mouth? I mean, Barbara Streisand's trashing him these days, for goodness' sake.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

This is pretty good evidence you haven't studied a **** thing about economics, and rather just empty-mindedly parrot the talking points of people who's conclusions you want to be correct. If you had studied anything with any amount of rigor, you'd be able to correctly spell one of the most important (note I said important not correct but I'm sure to distinction will be lost on you) figures in modern economic history.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

I think everyone will let you figure out Monty but let me just say, he has been given numerous, too many to count, chances on these boards for over 10 years. If he really does start posting on a regular basis again, you will see what all the hub bub is about. Enjoy the show!

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

This thread really reminds me at how ugly people here are, and it makes me question why I continue to post.

That's not a nice thing to say, Aizle. I would edit your post.

How many times do you forgive someone for failing to contribute in a meaningful and civil manner? I've not responded to or address Montegue in any way; yet, he certainly took the time to levy a personal attack against me based solely on his ideology.

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I hope you are throwing Monty and yourself into that statement along with everyone else you seem to be looking down your nose at.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

I'd be happy to engage in discussion with Monte.

Problem is, that's not how he rolls. I've wondered if he plays that same game with his martial arts activities ... a furious but impotent opening followed by avoidance and culminating with self-congratulations on his imagined win with a postscript of denial when called on his actions.

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In time, this too shall pass.

I certainly have been as bad as anyone here. It seems to be the environment here, and sometimes it gets the best of me.