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If Palin is the Republican nominee for President in 2012, are you likely to vote for her?
Yes 15%  15%  [ 3 ]
No 85%  85%  [ 17 ]
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:45 am 
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Just curious how many people here would likely vote for Palin if she were the 2012 Republican Presidential nominee.


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I'm trying to vote "no" but I keep getting an error when I try.

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Nope.

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Probably not. I like her, but she has maybe <---> this much more experience than the community organizer and look where that's got us.

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Not only "No," but "Hell **** NO to the nth degree." She's a phony, vapid, attention-whoring, mean-spirited ***** who embodies everything wrong with the faux-populist "conservative" movement. She's the Paris Hilton of the political world. Or perhaps the Stephanie Meyer. Yes, Stephanie Meyer seems a more apt comparison.

Also, why can't I answer "No?" Poll error. Daaaaaaaaaaaamn youuuuuuuuu, Palinnnnnnn!


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FarSky wrote:
Not only "No," but "Hell mother-**** NO to the nth degree." She's a phony, vapid, attention-whoring, mean-spirited ***** who embodies everything wrong with the faux-populist "conservative" movement. She's the Paris Hilton of the political world. Or perhaps the Stephanie Meyer. Yes, Stephanie Meyer seems a more apt comparison.

Also, why can't I answer "No?" Poll error. Daaaaaaaaaaaamn youuuuuuuuu, Palinnnnnnn!

You shouldn't repress your emotions on this subject, Mr. Ski. It'll cause an ulcer or something.

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FarSky wrote:
Not only "No," but "Hell mother-**** NO to the nth degree." She's a phony, vapid, attention-whoring, mean-spirited ***** who embodies everything wrong with the faux-populist "conservative" movement. She's the Paris Hilton of the political world. Or perhaps the Stephanie Meyer. Yes, Stephanie Meyer seems a more apt comparison.

Also, why can't I answer "No?" Poll error. Daaaaaaaaaaaamn youuuuuuuuu, Palinnnnnnn!


This, to the point that even though I thought McCain wasn't that bad, I couldn't bring myself to vote for him just because she was on the ticket.

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FarSky wrote:
Not only "No," but "Hell **** NO to the nth degree." She's a phony, vapid, attention-whoring, mean-spirited ***** who embodies everything wrong with the faux-populist "conservative" movement. She's the Paris Hilton of the political world. Or perhaps the Stephanie Meyer. Yes, Stephanie Meyer seems a more apt comparison.


This times like a bagillion.


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Bleh. Palin vs. Obama? I'm going to write-in Ozzy. What could it hurt?


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I'm trying to vote "no" but I keep getting an error when I try.

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Hopwin wrote:
Screeling wrote:
I'm trying to vote "no" but I keep getting an error when I try.

^^

I was able to vote "no" without a problem. Perhaps there's something freudian going on?

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She's not quite as vapid as people think. Indeed, Palin is a rather intelligent woman that the majority of people cannot separate the real Palin from Tina Fey's portrayal of her. That said, she is ultimately a politician and one without any political substance to which I could subscribe or adhere. I would not vote for her; but then voting for establishment candidates of any sort is not a thing I do.

FarSky:

"Rightist" populism is not a falsehood. It is a political and social reality that emerges from situations exactly as the one America finds itself currently facing. When the "Left", I won't use conservative or liberal because those are labels which have no substantive meaning any longer ... in any case, when the "Left" pushes too much in a direction that the silent majority does not want, it finds that the pendulum is pulled (not pushed) in the opposite direction. I have linked, numerous times now, Slavoj Žižek's treatise -- "Against the Populist Temptation" -- on this phenomenon several times now. I again implore you to read it. It is quite enlightening, if slightly dated at this point.

American politics are the politics of advertisement and mass marketing. They are not the politics of self-interest or collective-interest. And to that extent, Palin is merely another product that can be sold to a segment of political consumers. Moreso, the same is undoubtedly and doubly true for the sitting President, because Obama presumes himself to be in part the poster child of the "enlightened, liberal, technocratic elite." That the very segment of the population that generated his will to power now abandons him is indicative of this very reality. American politicians cannot deliver on their claims, for a variety of reasons, nor can they manifest themselves as someone capable of leading. This populist rejection, by both factions of the political consumer, indicates precisely the failure of Obama's presidency and capability. The impossibility of being the man he sold himself as to get elected also created the inevitability of his failure. That Obama has proven himself incompetent (Health Care and the Oil Spill); that Obama has proven himself unwilling to accept compromises (Health Care, Financial Regulatory Reform); that Obama has displayed the worst kind of partisanship when availed of a voting majority in both houses of the Congress demonstrates that he is not, nor could be the individual he promised during his campaign. The reality of having to lead confronts Obama with his own inadequacies as a political person; consequently, he retreats into being a political product. The same was true of George W. Bush. The same was true of Bill Clinton. The same was true of Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford and Richard Nixon and Lyndon Johnson and John F. Kennedy ...

Indeed, since the start of the Twentieth Century there have been exactly two Presidents who existed such that they were leaders beyond the "populist temptation" ... leaders outside the political marketing machine and commoditized reality of American politics. One, at least in my estimation and that of his peers, was a tyrant: Franklin Delano Roosevelt. The other was Dwight Eisenhower: ignored by the contemporary Democratic Party and Republican Party alike precisely because the reality of his leadership runs counter their will to power.

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Khross wrote:
She's not quite as vapid as people think. Indeed, Palin is a rather intelligent woman that the majority of people cannot separate the real Palin from Tina Fey's portrayal of her. That said, she is ultimately a politician and one without any political substance to which I could subscribe or adhere. I would not vote for her; but then voting for establishment candidates of any sort is not a thing I do.


This, except that since she would almost certainly run against Obama I would definitely vote for her, especially being in a swing state as I am.

My hope would be that she would make good cabinet choices and at least make conservative USSC appointments.

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My vote, should it come down to the 2012 election between Palin and Obama would be to examine the makeup of Congress at that point in time and vote the opposite, hoping that any gridlock that might impose would be better than the direction things have been moving for some time, and are continuing to move.


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Yeah, what Khross said. I think people actually think she is how Tina Fey portrays her. The woman actually did a good job in Alaska. I think folks forget that.

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Yeah, what Khross said. I think people actually think she is how Tina Fey portrays her. The woman actually did a good job in Alaska. I think folks forget that.

She lacks experience and she's divisive. While she may have some skills as an executive, she's proven to lack cohesive leadership abilities.

She'll split the party, not bring both sides together. I'm probably voting for Ron Paul in 2012, given the stable of candidates at the moment.

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Khross wrote:
She's not quite as vapid as people think. Indeed, Palin is a rather intelligent woman....


On what do you base that conclusion, Khross?


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I voted for RP in the last cycle, I'll vote for him again this time around unless there is a better option from one of the parties, which I doubt.

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Khross:
I believe she is highly skilled at self-promotion. Her general acumen is highly questionable, in my opinion.


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I would vote yes.

Because some people just want to watch the world burn.

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FarSky wrote:
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I believe she is highly skilled at self-promotion. Her general acumen is highly questionable, in my opinion.

What's the basis for your opinion, out of curiosity?

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Obama or Palin? Ugh, let's just hope it doesnt come down to that.

I'm not one to think of her as an idiot though. If you listen to her speak about her strengths she's quite knowledgeable and lucid. I'm thinking things like energy policy and oil pipelines. What she is not is a polished politician. No real grasp of world events in depth and that's from lack of experience.

If it really came down to those two, I'd have to vote 3rd party.

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Jesus, no. Why would anyone? I would literally vote for a random person on the street over any established politician. No hyperbole. I swear to whatever god you believe in.

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