The Glade 4.0

Thats when its time to hop outta Hellfire and pop over into General and throw around a few sexual innuendos and fart jokes!

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

No, it's never time to throw around fart jokes. Ever. Never.

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In time, this too shall pass.

I've explained this before, but I'll explain it again:

I don't respond to Monty out of any delusion that he'll find anything convincing. He's repeatedly demonstrated that he has his mind made up about the way he wants things to be and selectively pays attention to what fits that view, and distorts or ignores everything else. I don't particularly care why he acts this way; personally I think it's that he is simply enamored of a view of himself as a champion of the downtrodden, and serious thought would kill the 4th-grade "good vs evil" worldview he so adores.

I respond to Monty because his idiocy is so rarely seen anywhere other than highly liberal forums where pointing out how stupid it all is, is prohibited by the rules. Usually this inane bullshit can't be addressed directly, and unfortunately it contains just enough tangenital relationship to the truth to be convincing to people who aren't very well-versed with current events or recent history to be convincing, especially to people who are susceptible to the emotional appeal of sticking up for the <insert "oppressed" group here>.

In many instances, he's been making claims that are simply not within the realm of what's physically or practically possible, like the White Phosphorous debate, or the China Will Invade America thread. Khross has had other issues with him on other topics where Khross has pointed out that what he is claiming is simply not realistic. If we did not respond, a lot of the underlying assumptions would never be addressed, and they deserve to be addressed somewhere because they aren't just Monty - they're all over the place and a lot of times they creep into the thought of people far more reasonable than he is simply because no one ever truely digs into the details.

Monty does serve one other useful function here, although really not enough to offset his absurdity - he shows us just how reasonable our other liberal posters such as RD and Aizle actually are.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You're just mad because camels don't have butt cheeks.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

That's true - we have very svelte buttocks. That and we don't's fart.

We do, on very rare occasions, explode, but that's a topic worthy of it's own thread.

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In time, this too shall pass.

That's because artillery fire is part and parcel of your environment in many places.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

And don't forget it!

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In time, this too shall pass.

Then peace to you my brother.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

I didn't mind it so much when he'd actually stay and debate...

But these recent strafing runs are a different matter entirely.

Especially as I suspect (in the case of my thread on unemployment) he read no farther than "unemployment" in the title before he posted.

At least previously there was *some* debate to be had, and he was better about reading and keeping abreast of the discussion.

I'm not seeing that anymore.

Not to mention, he's only posting in Hellfire now, it seems like.

His posting has changed, since the banning, from a member of the board that got overly dogmatic and was prone to quite rabid outbursts to a troll who visits here for no other purpose than to stir things up and then leave.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Or his account has been hacked by someone who wants to troll and is familiar with the board enough to know whose account to attempt to hijack.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Of the people I'd be inclined to ignore on this board, Monty is not in the top three.

I'm not even remotely interested in hearing people's opinions on who I respond to, either.

Monty's right about one thing: this is an echo chamber. If anyone says anything even remotely "unsanctioned", they get pounced on like a hooker at a political convention. There's a few key "internet heroes" in particular that delight in trying to bully their way about on this board.

The sad part is, this behavior is so pervasive that merely posting an opposing viewpoint could probably be legitimately considered trolling at this point.

So you don't consider dropping by ~ once per week, placing vague negative comments and general statements about all of us in a thread and then moving on trolling?

I guess I didn't realize all of my comments were so sanctioned.

I don't find this any more of an echo chamber than the other boards I visit, and they're as wide of mixes of political and social ideologies as you'd find on the internet.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

No, it's me.

Again, the glade is not a part of my regular rotation. So, I don't always get back to chat. Also, what some call "debate" others see as a witch hunt or just a gang bang. Some things can't be debated here. A recent republican laid it out pretty clearly. He'd been beaten in his primary for having the audacity to rightfully say that there were no death panels in the health care reform legislation. Anyway, he said that the country was being divided in a manner not so different than Shia and Sunni. That tribalism is illustrated beautifully on the Glade. So no, I am not going to respond to every thread I post in. I'm going to say my piece, and if someone has something intelligent to say in response, I may or may not respond.

For example, there is no way on god's green earth that a large group of posters here will ever admit that HIGCC is actually real, that it's dangerous, that it represents a very real threat to our national security and our economic well being, not to mention our well being as a species. This is a fact, yet, here, it's considered to be a hoax. No amount of debate, no amount of scientific information will ever outweigh the few industry funded or intensely ideological voices that say otherwise. They *cannot* admit this, they cannot accept the overwhelming scientific consensus on the matter, because if they accept it, their ideology must face the reality of a severe and species-threatening externality. This does not mesh with their idea that all government regulation is inherently evil. Furthermore, it does not mesh with their idea that the market can fix everything. Because it *caused* this problem in many ways. That doesn't compute. That's the trouble with an outlook that's so utterly fixated on an intellectual consistency based on an irrational premise.

Not only must the fundamentalists be correct, but in order for them to be correct to their satisfaction, everyone else must be absolutely incorrect, and no amount of evidence to the contrary will ever convince them otherwise.

It's a result of the echo chamber, among other things. All voices screaming the same things, backing it up with an oversimplified intellectual consistency, never daring to imagine the horror that the DFH's are correct. Ever. It gets so bad that Tea Party conservatives now elected to the board of education in Texas have decided to just rewrite history to suit a more comfortable, conservative-friendly version - changing "slave trade" to "triangle trade" and claiming that McCarthy's big brother police state unamerican activities witch hunts were vindicated. It's so bad that in the last 10 years we actually had to debate weather or not torture was acceptable. It's so bad that in the last 10 years Republicans were cheering on a massive expansion of the deficit and off-the-books war funding. It's so bad that when an African American wins the Presidency in a country that used to enslave people with his skin color, a country that used to deny men of his color the right to vote, it's not even considered to be a historic event. In fact, it's so non historic that we have to have a thread talking about how it's no big deal. It's so bad that when a single unsubstantiated rumor that the aforementioned black man was born in Kenya pops up, it's held up as a very serious accusation - so serious that it changes the principle of the burden of evidence from the state to the accused. It's endlessly, breathlessly debated as some sort of legitimate constitutional question.

And why is it that bad? Because everything in the world is less important than hating Dirty **** Hippies. Everything. Liberals are the enemy, and everything they say or do is wrong, even if the facts support it. Any theory, no matter how outlandish, must be correct assuming it in some way attacks the DFH's. Any act of violence against liberals is ignored or swept under the rug. Any call for violence or revolution are greeted with loud cheers and adulation, when just 18 months ago such a call would have been greeted with pearl-clutching howls of "anti-American!" and "Al Qaeda Sympathizer!".

It never changes.

IOKIYAR. So long as the people calling for the dissolution of the United States of America are Republicans or Conservatives or Tea Party Activists (Which are just conservative republicans), it doesn't matter how much you hate on America. It doesn't matter if you send mixed signals to our enemies by viciously criticizing the President in a time of war. Of course, before 1/20/09, such calls were greeted with vicious accusations of treason from the *very same people* that now call for open, armed revolution. "Water the tree of liberty" and "We came unarmed - this time" are common themes at conservative protest rallies these days. Once upon a time, those conservatives would look at liberals with similar messages and call for investigations and police round-ups. And while you might not see that happen here directly (although it has, from time to time, definitely happened here), the attitude is clear and present. It didn't get kinder or gentler around here after I took a break. In fact, it got even worse. It got downright vicious for a while, looking back over the threads.

So, if it wasn't me that caused all the vitriol and hate, then it begs the question - what caused all the vitriol and hate?

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Yes because popular assumptions are fact because they are popular.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

First, let me say that none of the opinions espoused in your post apply to me.

I dislike the Tea Party Activists, I'm open to the idea of HIGCC, but am still skeptical of the data I've seen (although I think cutting back emissions and energy use has no downside if done intelligently), and I *like* dirty hippies! They're fun!

That said, if we're no longer on your regular hit list, and you aren't posting outside of what you think are one-sided political debates, then why come and say your piece at all? Why do you care?

I read this board, which is definitely Right-Libertarian leaning, and I read other boards that are about as opposite as you can get. Different people have different opinions.

Just because you disagree with what someone thinks doesn't mean you have to post that you disagree, especially if you have no interest in discussing it with them, or are open to the possibility that you might be wrong.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

We could all sit around and sling insults 24/7 and it would be better than your best day in this forum. Andy, my bud, just disappear again.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

I'll add:

The vitriol and hate (not the words I'd choose, I don't think my emotions are running that high) that you feel from me to you comes not from your opinions, but from your way of espousing those opinions.

I have never seen you admit that you are/were wrong, and while you criticize those people on the board who will never believe in HIGCC, I don't think you will ever NOT believe in it, no matter what evidence I show you.

You are as closed-minded as those people here that you rant and rave about being closed minded. And that hypocrisy bothers me.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Or, come back and be a consistent member of the forum. Contribute to the community in some other way than veiled threats in Hellfire posts.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Exactly what I mean. This is not a popular assumption of fact. It's every single major scientific body on the planet. And that just one example of the kind of fabricated reality one has to struggle with to "debate" things here.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

You have never shown evidence that HIGCC is not real, is not happening. Evidence that hasn't already long since been debunked. And there's reason for that. It's actually happening, it's actually our fault, and the overwhelming mountain of evidence and research supports that.



It's very difficult to be open minded to conspiracy theories like the birther conspiracy. It is also very difficult to be open minded to arguments that say that the government should be in the business of enforcing the racism of private employers. And yet, those sorts of arguments get made here pretty regularly.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

For those scoring at home, this is what DE meant when talked about the reason he doesn't ignore Monty.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

I have never tried to show evidence that HIGCC is not real.

Most of the evidence is over your head, anyway.

And I honestly don't care what you believe, one way or another.

But if you want to look at what we *DO* about global climate change, we're going about it all the wrong way.

The amount required to be spent to double our current green energy resources is quite significant, and would cut down on our emissions by ~2%.

There are many other, cheaper ways to reduce emissions by 2%, most of them by targeting personal energy cutbacks.

That said, most of the "green" energy plans that are being pursued are not really that green at all. They don't release as many greenhouse gasses, true, but then they also create huge amounts of toxic byproducts (solar panels), or destroy quite a lot of natural habitat (solar farms, wind farms).

Honestly, if you want to cut greenhouse gasses in the most effective and environmentally friendly way, you start swapping the US over to a 3-4 stage nuclear reactor system.

The nuclear waste is about as toxic as the by-products from solar panels, but you produce a ton more energy per unit of waste.

But this is neither here nor there.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

For the record, that's not begging the question.

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The Dude abides.

Yet the tone here is so much different with and with out Monty. Without we manged to have good discussions.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

I don't really mind your points, your posts, your blatant disregard of anything conservative, or your bandwagon approach to liberals, but this kind of crap gets on my nerves. In the same post, you criticize others for oversimplifying things to justify their ideology, and then turn around and do it yourself.

It is pretty aggravating.