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If Palin is the Republican nominee for President in 2012, are you likely to vote for her?
Yes 15%  15%  [ 3 ]
No 85%  85%  [ 17 ]
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Not only "No," but "Hell mother-**** NO to the nth degree." She's a phony, vapid, attention-whoring, mean-spirited ***** who embodies everything wrong with the faux-populist "conservative" movement. She's the Paris Hilton of the political world. Or perhaps the Stephanie Meyer. Yes, Stephanie Meyer seems a more apt comparison.

Also, why can't I answer "No?" Poll error. Daaaaaaaaaaaamn youuuuuuuuu, Palinnnnnnn!



What he said. :P

Although I will say this - please PTBs, please let her be the nominee.

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Oh, dear lord, please don't let her be the Republican Nominee....

Lets actually pick someone this year who is moderate in at least some sense of the word. Someone who has some experience, doesn't mind making tough decisions that might leave them politically unfavored, and will stand by the campaign promises they make.

Not that I ever think any of our major party candidates will do those things...

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Obama has done a pretty fantastic job of keeping his campaign promises. I haven't checked politifact in a while, but he was cruising along rather nicely. The hilarious thing is watching people on the far left freak out about the things he's done, despite them being directly in line with his campaign promises.

He broke some promises, no doubt. Some of them on big, big issues. But not nearly as many as he's kept.

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He broke some promises, no doubt. Some of them on big, big issues. But not nearly as many as he's kept.

According to http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/ Obama has only kept about 20% of his promises so far.

I'd like to know how you feel qualified to express an opinion on such advanced subjects, such as the economy, when you are pwned by fractions?

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He broke some promises, no doubt. Some of them on big, big issues. But not nearly as many as he's kept.

According to http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/ Obama has only kept about 20% of his promises so far.

I'd like to know how you feel qualified to express an opinion on such advanced subjects, such as the economy, when you are pwned by fractions?



Though he didn't link anything, does this count toward the number of times Monty was owned by his own source? That list is getting el hugeo.

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He broke some promises, no doubt. Some of them on big, big issues. But not nearly as many as he's kept.

According to http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/ Obama has only kept about 20% of his promises so far.

I'd like to know how you feel qualified to express an opinion on such advanced subjects, such as the economy, when you are pwned by fractions?



Though he didn't link anything, does this count toward the number of times Monty was owned by his own source? That list is getting el hugeo.

I vote that it does.

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If it's Obama vs. Palin, I'll vote for Palin.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
If it's Obama vs. Palin, I'll vote for Palin.

If it's Obama vs. Palin then I will do my damndest to vote with my feet and move to Canada.

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In progress and stalled = Kept.

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In progress and stalled = Kept.

See, I figured Kept = Kept, but then I don't try to overstate the situation.

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I would vote yes.

Because some people just want to watch the world burn.


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In progress and stalled = Kept.

See, I figured Kept = Kept, but then I don't try to overstate the situation.


Its Kept till its broken.

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Actually, I'll probably do what I did last election.

Let the dice decide who I vote for. It really doesn't matter who I vote for.

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Taskiss wrote:
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He broke some promises, no doubt. Some of them on big, big issues. But not nearly as many as he's kept.

According to http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/ Obama has only kept about 20% of his promises so far.

I'd like to know how you feel qualified to express an opinion on such advanced subjects, such as the economy, when you are pwned by fractions?


Oooh, fractions. I love fractions. Let's see what kind of fun we can have with them...

First the facts.
Promises kept: 119
Promises broken: 19
Promises compromised: 37
Promises stalled: 82
Promises in process: 245
Promises not yet rated: 3

Total promises: 505

So now a little math with my handy dandy calculator here shows that 119/505 = 24% Promises kept which humorously enough is 20% more than what you're giving him credit for. It's also worth noting that this is after about 1.5 years in office.

By contrast he's only broken 4% of his promises, which puts his success to failure ration at 6.3 to 1. Note that I don't view compromises as failures and I'm leaving them out of this number.

If he's able to maintain the current pace and success ratio then we'd expect for him to have successfully kept 63% of his promises by the end of his first term. I honestly don't know how that compares to other presidents, but my gut tells me it's probably pretty decent. Especially given how amazingly hostile the republican party has been to his leadership.


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Yeh, should assign weighting to the promises he kept and those he broke ;)

Some of the broken ones were HUGE parts of his platform. Like "I'll make everything available on the internet for 5 days", and "I won't raise taxes on people that make less than 250k."

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According to http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/ Obama has only kept about 20% of his promises so far.
So now a little math with my handy dandy calculator here shows that 119/505 = 24% Promises kept which humorously enough is 20% more than what you're giving him credit for.

Yeah, I think you had a little too much fun....

If I have a cake and hand 20% to you, how much have I kept? Oh, I understand! You want to have my cake and eat it too!

A true liberal.

You're humorously assigning all the promises not kept in your file drawer under "hope and change". Next election cycle you'll blame it on Bush.

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Hilariously, other liberal sites I've seen range from annoyed to outraged that Obama isn't doing more to keep his promises... or maybe it's that he's not doing more to adhere to Prgressive Orthodoxy.. or something. It's a little hard to say.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
If it's Obama vs. Palin, I'll vote for Palin.

It's not like there's only 2 options in the election...

If it's Obama vs Palin I'll vote third party...


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I'll be voting for the person on the ticket with the best chance to defeat the incumbent.

Not that it will matter here in liberal-lefty-land. There is almost zero chance that this states' electoral votes wont go to Obama.


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Especially given how amazingly hostile the republican party has been to his leadership.


What part of the phrase "bi-cameral Democratic Party supermajority" do you not fully grasp?

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Though he didn't link anything, does this count toward the number of times Monty was owned by his own source? That list is getting el hugeo.

I vote that it does.

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What part of the phrase "bi-cameral Democratic Party supermajority" do you not fully grasp?


It's just barely a super-majority in the Senate, DFK, which means that if even one Dem Senator sides with Republicans, the game's over. And that's not even counting all the other obstructionist tactics available to a sizable minority in the Senate. Arguing that everything Congress does or doesn't do is on the Dems right now is just b.s.


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What part of the phrase "bi-cameral Democratic Party supermajority" do you not fully grasp?


It's just barely a super-majority in the Senate, DFK, which means that if even one Dem Senator sides with Republicans, the game's over. And that's not even counting all the other obstructionist tactics available to a sizable minority in the Senate. Arguing that everything Congress does or doesn't do is on the Dems right now is just b.s.



Demonstrate that. "Barely a supermajority" does not negate "supermajority".

Show me exactly how Republicans, voting as a block and assuming no defectors, can wholly obstruct anything the Democrats want, given the same assumptions.

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Having broken form problems. I thought Palin was a good Balancer to Mccain's ticket, but I don't think she's ready to be on her own yet. However in the end, I can not vote for Obama in good conscience.

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Show me exactly how Republicans, voting as a block and assuming no defectors, can wholly obstruct anything the Democrats want, given the same assumptions.


My point is that those are unrealistic assumptions.


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