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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:52 am 
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I thought this was a good term to file away for later use. We see it so often here in NJ when it comes to budget cuts:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/? ... Q5MmQ5YzM=

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Washington Monument Strategy Alive and Well in Washington [Veronique de Rugy]

President Obama’s recent plea for another $50 billion (here is the letter to congressional leaders) to save the jobs of teachers and firefighters in the states is a great example of the "Washington Monument Syndrome." This refers to the bureaucratic practice of threatening to close down the most popular and vital programs in response to prospective budget cuts; it gets its name from the U.S. Department of the Interior, which always threatens it will have to close the Washington Monument if its budget is cut.

The message, in this case, is that if taxpayers — who are already poorer than they used to be — don’t give the states billions of dollars on top of the billions already received through the stimulus, our favorite state employees will end up in the streets without jobs. The goal is obviously to cause enough public outrage to give cover for lawmakers to pass another job bill — in spite of the obvious failure of the previous ones.

Here are some reasons why Congress shouldn’t agree to spend $50 billion on state budgets.

First, we are supposedly in a federal system (even though I think federalism in the U.S. is, in some important ways, dead). The states need to grow up and stop relying on the federal government to bail them out.

Second, firing teachers in not the only way out of this budget crisis. Teachers could get a salary cut. Besides, I assume teachers have an incentive to accept a salary cut rather than to lose their jobs all together.

Third, states have many assets they can sell: stadiums, parks, bridges, highways, museums, buildings, and more.

Fourth, if teachers and firefighters are such a priority, why start with them? In the same situation, a typical family would start by reducing its spending in the least essential areas: For instance, parents would stop going out to dinner rather stop buying food for their children. Is President Obama telling us that states have already cut all the non-essential parts of the budget and only essential parts are left untouched? Or is Obama saying that state governments are like bad parents that would rather stop feeding their kids than stop going out for dinner?

Finally, teachers were the big winners of the stimulus bill. According to Recovery.gov data, in the last two quarters, two-thirds of the job created or saved were in the Department of Education (see chart below). How much more help do they need?

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More here: http://biggovernment.com/vderugy/2010/03/10/who-is-the-stimulus-money-stimulating-teachers/

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It's so true. I remember being in jr high and one of our teachers took class time out to tell us how bad our lives would be if the lastest school levy didn't pass (and the assuption was that we'd better go home and beg our parents to vote for it.)

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Along time ago In High school the teachers were picketing for a new contract with all the increases and goodies that they wanted.
I had 1 teacher who was completely disinterested in it. When I asked why he told me.
"I chose to be a teacher not to be rich, I work hard for 9 months of the year and get 3 months off with pay. I have a house that suits my family's needs. We have a small side business and we're happy. I get to see my students go on to bigger and better things in life."
This was my theatre teacher in high school.
I know people that he taught, that are actors, Directors, and every other capacity in theatre working all over Arizona and the country.
He was the only teacher that was invited to my Wedding, and he got to meet up with at least 25 of his former students.
Even though he's officially retired he still the acting technical directory for the high school theatre.

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You know, I used to think Teachers were underpaid. Now I just think the vast majority of teachers are teachers because they're too stupid to breathe without external input.

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Khross wrote:
You know, I used to think Teachers were underpaid. Now I just think the vast majority of teachers are teachers because they're too stupid to breathe without external input.

^^^

Plus summers off.

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Khross wrote:
You know, I used to think Teachers were underpaid.


I'm honestly surprised you ever thought that.


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You know, I used to think Teachers were underpaid.


I'm honestly surprised you ever thought that.


We all make mistakes especially when young. I was originally a democrat because I thought Liberalism = classical liberalism. Oh well live and learn.

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It was ground into our heads for many years that teachers were just "minium wage babysitters" Many teachers and popular culture sources propogate the Myth.

It was a misconception I enterained until I actually worked for a school district

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Rorinthas,

That depends on the district, parental involvement and student motivation. Many teachers are just baby-sitters for kids who don't want to learn, parents who don't care either way and districts that are more interested in padding statistics then actually educating kids/preparing them for life.

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Perfect example. Oakland's police chief is threatening claiming there are certain crimes the police wont be able to respond to because of budget cutbacks. Pay up, or we wont cant do our job:

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-be ... 66509.html

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Oakland's police chief is making some dire claims about what his force will and will not respond to if layoffs go as planned.

Chief Anthony Batts listed exactly 44 situations that his officers will no longer respond to and they include grand theft, burglary, car wrecks, identity theft and vandalism. He says if you live and Oakland and one of the above happens to you, you need to let police know on-line.

Some 80 officers were to be let go at midnight last night if a last-minute deal was not reached. That's about ten percent of the work force.

"I came her e to build an organization, not downsize one," said Batts, who was given the top job in October.

That deadline has been extended to 5 p.m. Tuesday.

Here's a partial list:

* burglary
* theft
* embezzlement
* grand theft
* grand theft:dog
* identity theft
* false information to peace officer
* required to register as sex or arson offender
* dump waste or offensive matter
* discard appliance with lock
* loud music
* possess forged notes
* pass fictitious check
* obtain money by false voucher
* fraudulent use of access cards
* stolen license plate
* embezzlement by an employee (over $ 400)
* extortion
* attempted extortion
* false personification of other
* injure telephone/ power line
* interfere with power line
* unauthorized cable tv connection
* vandalism
* administer/expose poison to another'

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There *WILL*, hovever, be plenty of money for 3 officer construction details.

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I notice extortion is on that list, ironically.

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Grand theft:dog?

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More than half the things on that list aren't really calls you'd "respond" to anyhow. No one picks up the phone and says "I need the police, there's a man here extroting me!"

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I chuckle over the "false information to a peace officer".... wtf.


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It's nice of him to let me know which crimes to commit in his area.

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* burglary
* theft


I hope they plan to see a rise in shootings as people begin to defend themselves.

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No Castle Law in California if memory serves.

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Oh, that's nice.

"you can't defend yourselves."

"oh, by the way, we're not going to defend you either."


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Welcome to the Kalifornia thought process.

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Honestly, I think Mr. Batts should be fired. As should any other officer who supports this in voice, or action. If they move to oppose the firing by force, they should be executed by the citizens of their county.

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Uhm, correct me if I'm wrong, but if they don't have the money/manpower to respond to all crimes, then isn't it logical to pick some not to respond to?


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In emergency medicine it is called triage.

In police procedure, it is prioritizing workload, or so I've been told. In a lot of cases the crimes are so minor that the only reason for the police to show up is so that the victim can file a police report with their insurer. In that case, no response, file a report and give the citizen a police report number.

Some of those crimes, I can see putting them on the file report and don't respond list. Others I question what crimes are making the respond list.

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Xequecal wrote:
Uhm, correct me if I'm wrong, but if they don't have the money/manpower to respond to all crimes, then isn't it logical to pick some not to respond to?


Yeah, but you certainly don't publicize which ones you aren't going to respond to. The DA in Contra Costa County (the county right next to Oakland), when faced with staffing cuts did the same thin as the Chief in Oakland. The difference is that he was successful, and his staff didn't get cut. I'm sure the Chief saw that the neighboring DA, who published a list of crimes his office wasn't going to prosecute, successfully stave off staff cuts with that tactic, and attempted to perform the same feat - his bluff was called.

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Uhm, correct me if I'm wrong, but if they don't have the money/manpower to respond to all crimes, then isn't it logical to pick some not to respond to?


Yeah, but you certainly don't publicize which ones you aren't going to respond to. The DA in Contra Costa County (the county right next to Oakland), when faced with staffing cuts did the same thin as the Chief in Oakland. The difference is that he was successful, and his staff didn't get cut. I'm sure the Chief saw that the neighboring DA, who published a list of crimes his office wasn't going to prosecute, successfully stave off staff cuts with that tactic, and attempted to perform the same feat - his bluff was called.


Ok, maybe publicizing the list of crimes was a bad decision. But it certainly doesn't justify executing him, let alone lower-ranking officers who are just doing their jobs.


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