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So, Mus, in your opinion, the billboard is valid because someone can make an argument that Obama's policies are in some ways like the policies of these other dictators. Interesting.

Here's a clip I think you all should watch -

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"Mother Theresa had a mustache, Hitler had a mustache - MOTHER THERESA IS HITLER!!!"

"They came for the jews to kill them. They came to the banks and car companies to give them 700 billion dollars!"


Obama has shitty economic policies... Hitler had shitty economic policies... OBAMA IS HITLER!!! OMGG!!!

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So, let's get this straight. You claim I haven't read the thread. (I have). I say I have read it. You claim, again, that I haven't. And then you go on to say that you're hesitating to call me a liar.

Yet, you already have.

Dizzying.


Nitefox - are you trying to bait me into another pissing match? I learned my lesson last time. Feel free to piss in my direction. I'm not interested in exchanging fire. It is, however, hilarious to watch you flail.

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Monte wrote:
So, let's get this straight. You claim I haven't read the thread. (I have). I say I have read it. You claim, again, that I haven't. And then you go on to say that you're hesitating to call me a liar.

Yet, you already have.

Dizzying.


Nitefox - are you trying to bait me into another pissing match? I learned my lesson last time. Feel free to piss in my direction. I'm not interested in exchanging fire. It is, however, hilarious to watch you flail.



Not at all. I've never tried to bait you into anything. I say what I feel like saying, you respond or don't. Doesn't change anything about what or why I do things.

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Excellent. Then be careful that the splash back doesn't get all over your trousers.

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Excellent. Then be careful that the splash back doesn't get all over your trousers.



Is that more libtard thinking? Doesn't seem to make much sense.

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No, I haven't. Not yet.

You are a liar.

Now I have.

See how that works?

If you had read the thread you might be taking into account the fact that the rise of the Hitler, and the enactment of the Final Solution did not happen in a vaccum. No one just woke up one morning and said, "Let's kill some **** Jews!", which is what this entire thread has been discussing.

To understand the event, and it's historical relevence, it is important to examine the cause. In this case the cause was economic.

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I have read the thread. I see some folks saying that a comparison can be drawn, which doesn't speak to my question. I see some folks who clearly see that it's fair. I see a few who think it's bullshit.

I just want people to be blunt about it.


It's "fair" to compare any two individuals. No, I don't think the comparison is very close, and I certainly don't think it's helpful they way it was presented.

By the way, neither did the Iowa Tea Party, which is why they told the guy to remove it.

So, how do the Tea Party's stripes look now?


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No, I haven't. Not yet.

You are a liar.

Now I have.

See how that works?

If you had read the thread you might be taking into account the fact that the rise of the Hitler, and the enactment of the Final Solution did not happen in a vaccum. No one just woke up one morning and said, "Let's kill some **** Jews!", which is what this entire thread has been discussing.

To understand the event, and it's historical relevence, it is important to examine the cause. In this case the cause was economic.


Yeah, he addressed that. You should read what he wrote.


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No, he didn't. If he had, we wouldn't be in this phase of the conversation. He glossed over it, and ignored the content.

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You want me to simply agree with your take on it. I read the thread. The usual suspects made the usual sort of arguments (with a couple surprises). Again I refer you to the link I posted. It lays my position out pretty clearly by taking Glenn Beck to task for the same hi-jinks going on in this thread, and in conservative circles in general.

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No, he didn't. If he had, we wouldn't be in this phase of the conversation. He glossed over it, and ignored the content.


I disagree. But then, I guess I read his post more carefully.


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What surprises?

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It's "fair" to compare any two individuals. No, I don't think the comparison is very close, and I certainly don't think it's helpful they way it was presented.

By the way, neither did the Iowa Tea Party, which is why they told the guy to remove it.

So, how do the Tea Party's stripes look now?


Bout the same as they did before. The Tea Party posted something particularly heinous. When there was an uproar, then they pulled it down. The Tea Party's spokespeople were out trying to draw false equivalence to one entry in 1000 to a Move On ad contest that never saw the light of day, so they were being apologists. But mostly, I'm not seeing a whole lot of effort on the Tea Party's part to deal with the racist, bigoted, and inflammatory element in their movement.

They have some serious apologizing to do to the president and his family, in the first place. If they want to be taken seriously, they need to be a lot more mainstream when it comes to how they treat people of other races. They can't just quietly ask their racist members to leave. That's just trying to be less unsightly for the cameras. They actually have to denounce those people.

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If they want to be taken seriously, they need to be a lot more mainstream when it comes to how they treat people of other races. They can't just quietly ask their racist members to leave. That's just trying to be less unsightly for the cameras. They actually have to denounce those people.


So, if you want me to take you seriously, you have to think like we do.

Talk about groupthink.

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If they want to be taken seriously, they need to be a lot more mainstream when it comes to how they treat people of other races. They can't just quietly ask their racist members to leave. That's just trying to be less unsightly for the cameras. They actually have to denounce those people.


So, if you want me to take you seriously, you have to think like we do.

Talk about groupthink.

It's OK, by the end of 2012 groupthink will have thrown all the bums out and we can all sit around the campfire singing kumbay, all one big happy family! We'll be mainstream!

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If they want to be taken seriously, they need to be a lot more mainstream when it comes to how they treat people of other races. They can't just quietly ask their racist members to leave. That's just trying to be less unsightly for the cameras. They actually have to denounce those people.


So, if you want me to take you seriously, you have to think like we do.

Talk about groupthink.

It's OK, by the end of 2012 groupthink will have thrown all the bums out and we can all sit around the campfire singing kumbay, all one big happy family! We'll be mainstream!


Double Plus Good my Camellid Comrade.

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If you would be so kind, my dear Müs

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If they want to be taken seriously, they need to be a lot more mainstream when it comes to how they treat people of other races. They can't just quietly ask their racist members to leave. That's just trying to be less unsightly for the cameras. They actually have to denounce those people.


So, if you want me to take you seriously, you have to think like we do.

Talk about groupthink.


Good try, but no. Unless of course you think racist rhetoric and imagery has a valid place in our general public discourse. In which case, we will have to agree to disagree.

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If they want to be taken seriously, they need to be a lot more mainstream when it comes to how they treat people of other races. They can't just quietly ask their racist members to leave. That's just trying to be less unsightly for the cameras. They actually have to denounce those people.


So, if you want me to take you seriously, you have to think like we do.

Talk about groupthink.


Good try, but no. Unless of course you think racist rhetoric and imagery has a valid place in our general public discourse. In which case, we will have to agree to disagree.


Wait... what? How did this go from Obama is a Nazi to The Tea Party is Racist?

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Yeah, those damn racist tea party poopy heads...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39729.html
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Some African-American tea party candidates are displeased by a resolution that the NAACP approved on Tuesday calling the grass-roots conservative movement “racist.”

“I have not experienced the charges of racism that the NAACP is touting,” Vernon Parker, an African-American tea party congressional candidate in Arizona, told POLITICO.

Parker, former mayor of Paradise Valley, said that he has never felt out of place at a tea party rally because of the color of his skin.

“When I go to tea party events, people don’t look at me any differently,” he said. “They didn’t judge me on the color of my skin, quite frankly, they judged me on my principles."

"The NAACP should be concerned about bringing jobs to people in depressed areas,” he added, “not the tea party.”

Tim Scott, a GOP congressional nominee in South Carolina, echoed Parker’s sentiments in a statement.

“I believe that the NAACP is making a grave mistake in stereotyping a diverse group of Americans who care deeply about their country and who contribute their time, energy and resources to make a difference,” Scott said.

“As I campaign in South Carolina, I participate in numerous events sponsored by the tea party, 9/12, Patriot, and other like-minded groups, and I have had the opportunity to get to know many of the men and women who make up these energetic grass-roots organizations,” Scott added.

“Americans need to know that the tea party is a color-blind movement that has principled differences with many of the leaders in Washington, both Democrats and Republicans.”

The resolution the NAACP approved at its annual conference in Kansas City alleges that tea party groups have used racist epithets in attacks on President Barack Obama and have verbally and physically abused African-American members of Congress.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/07 ... z0tn2sNJr5

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“Americans need to know that the tea party is a color-blind movement that has principled differences with many of the leaders in Washington, both Democrats and Republicans.”


Color blindness is racist because it doesn't acknowledge black people as special snowflakes.

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The standard I use to determine if the underlying premise behind an attack on the president is racist is petty simple. If the people making the attack would not have reasonably done so to a white president doing similar things, then my guess is that the attack is racist.

The Tea Party would not have made a billboard like this under Bush, despite there being a number of similarities between the two administrations policies on some issues. More importantly, I didn't see a single billboard like this when TARP was passed, nor any signs from the tea party depicting bush as Hitler, despite the fact that he's the one who initiated that bailout.

So, I find their objections to be without a lot of backup. It's difficult for me to believe that their objection, illustrated in this billboard, has anything to do with the President's economic policies, ultimately.

However, the President *is* a scaaaaaary black man. He's a muslim sleeper agent, according to most members of the Tea Party. Not only that, but this scaaaaaary black man is just as dangerous and scaaaary as Hitler and Stalin, to believe this billboard.

The Tea Party is nothing more than the hardcore Bush supporters, the white supremacists that support conservatives like Ron and Rand Paul, and the crazed militia fundamentalists and soverign citizen movements. They just don't want the worst elements (which make up the majority of their membership) to get camera time.

Extreme **** like this billboard, and the countless protest signs with clearly racist images and rhetoric, and the racist rhetoric regularly spewed but infrequently reported on, are the blood stream of the Tea Party movement. They are getting better about not letting the cameras catch it, but the racism and hate is still there, driving the movement.

I've now walked among three Tea Party rallies. Every single time, I have counted no less than a dozen racial/homophobic epithets by the people in the crowd. The hate was palpable. It wasn't anger at economic policies. It was racist, bigoted, homophobic hate. Every single time.

That's what is driving the actual movement. It's the dividends paid to the Republican party via the Southern strategy.

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The standard I use to determine if the underlying premise behind an attack on the president is racist is petty simple. If the people making the attack would not have reasonably done so to a white president doing similar things, then my guess is that the attack is racist.

The Tea Party would not have made a billboard like this under Bush, despite there being a number of similarities between the two administrations policies on some issues. More importantly, I didn't see a single billboard like this when TARP was passed, nor any signs from the tea party depicting bush as Hitler, despite the fact that he's the one who initiated that bailout.

So, I find their objections to be without a lot of backup. It's difficult for me to believe that their objection, illustrated in this billboard, has anything to do with the President's economic policies, ultimately.

However, the President *is* a scaaaaaary black man. He's a muslim sleeper agent, according to most members of the Tea Party. Not only that, but this scaaaaaary black man is just as dangerous and scaaaary as Hitler and Stalin, to believe this billboard.

The Tea Party is nothing more than the hardcore Bush supporters, the white supremacists that support conservatives like Ron and Rand Paul, and the crazed militia fundamentalists and soverign citizen movements. They just don't want the worst elements (which make up the majority of their membership) to get camera time.

Extreme **** like this billboard, and the countless protest signs with clearly racist images and rhetoric, and the racist rhetoric regularly spewed but infrequently reported on, are the blood stream of the Tea Party movement. They are getting better about not letting the cameras catch it, but the racism and hate is still there, driving the movement.

I've now walked among three Tea Party rallies. Every single time, I have counted no less than a dozen racial/homophobic epithets by the people in the crowd. The hate was palpable. It wasn't anger at economic policies. It was racist, bigoted, homophobic hate. Every single time.

That's what is driving the actual movement. It's the dividends paid to the Republican party via the Southern strategy.




Did you read the article I posted or are you just spouting off your lies again? Don't bother educating yourself do you? Just more libtardness coming from you(I do take credit for libtardness).

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The standard I use to determine if the underlying premise behind an attack on the president is racist is petty simple. If the people making the attack would not have reasonably done so to a white president doing similar things, then my guess is that the attack is racist.

The Tea Party would not have made a billboard like this under Bush, despite there being a number of similarities between the two administrations policies on some issues. More importantly, I didn't see a single billboard like this when TARP was passed, nor any signs from the tea party depicting bush as Hitler, despite the fact that he's the one who initiated that bailout.

So, I find their objections to be without a lot of backup. It's difficult for me to believe that their objection, illustrated in this billboard, has anything to do with the President's economic policies, ultimately.

However, the President *is* a scaaaaaary black man. He's a muslim sleeper agent, according to most members of the Tea Party. Not only that, but this scaaaaaary black man is just as dangerous and scaaaary as Hitler and Stalin, to believe this billboard.

The Tea Party is nothing more than the hardcore Bush supporters, the white supremacists that support conservatives like Ron and Rand Paul, and the crazed militia fundamentalists and soverign citizen movements. They just don't want the worst elements (which make up the majority of their membership) to get camera time.

Extreme **** like this billboard, and the countless protest signs with clearly racist images and rhetoric, and the racist rhetoric regularly spewed but infrequently reported on, are the blood stream of the Tea Party movement. They are getting better about not letting the cameras catch it, but the racism and hate is still there, driving the movement.

I've now walked among three Tea Party rallies. Every single time, I have counted no less than a dozen racial/homophobic epithets by the people in the crowd. The hate was palpable. It wasn't anger at economic policies. It was racist, bigoted, homophobic hate. Every single time.

That's what is driving the actual movement. It's the dividends paid to the Republican party via the Southern strategy.

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