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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:39 pm 
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Wait, wait, I get it! Monte is right! If the doctor moved his practice into a narrow street; especially : a thoroughfare through the middle of a block giving access to the rear of lots or buildings then he could cut costs and thereby thrive on Medicare/Medicaid payouts. Stupid businessman.

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Hopwin, you're missing the tongue in cheek behind my arguments along that line.

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Wait, wait, I get it! Monte is right! If the doctor moved his practice into a narrow street; especially : a thoroughfare through the middle of a block giving access to the rear of lots or buildings then he could cut costs and thereby thrive on Medicare/Medicaid payouts. Stupid businessman.


Maybe he could provide low cost abortions to illegals too!

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Müs wrote:
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Wait, wait, I get it! Monte is right! If the doctor moved his practice into a narrow street; especially : a thoroughfare through the middle of a block giving access to the rear of lots or buildings then he could cut costs and thereby thrive on Medicare/Medicaid payouts. Stupid businessman.


Maybe he could provide low cost abortions to illegals too!


Most illegals are hispanic, most hispanics are Catholic, most Catholics don't believe in abortion.


Gawd, get your stereotypes right. :roll:

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Alol!

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Hopwin wrote:
Wait, wait, I get it! Monte is right! If the doctor moved his practice into a narrow street; especially : a thoroughfare through the middle of a block giving access to the rear of lots or buildings then he could cut costs and thereby thrive on Medicare/Medicaid payouts. Stupid businessman.


Maybe he could provide low cost abortions to illegals too!


Most illegals are hispanic, most hispanics are Catholic, most Catholics don't believe in abortion.


Gawd, get your stereotypes right. :roll:


But Abortion is real... what good does not believing in it do?

That'd be like not believing in dogs... or cheese.

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Do Canada and Great Britain pay their doctors on time? I think that's probably a question of great relevance.


Canadian doctors have a patient cap, they are only paid by the government for the first X patients they see per year to keep costs down. As a result they have no incentive to see any more patients than that number, that's why the waiting lists are long there. For example, to see a dermatologist in Canada, the waiting period is approximately 9 months if you don't have a cancerous or precancerous condition.

Doctors don't get paid as much in Canada as in the US but they also have far easier workloads. Because they have to see so few patients, they can spread them out over the whole year and work like 4-5 hour days.


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The long waiting lists are not so long, sometimes nonexistent, depending on what part of Canada you happen to be in.

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The long waiting lists are not so long, sometimes nonexistent, depending on what part of Canada you happen to be in.


I truly hope you never have to wait in one of those long lines when you need medical help!! I know for certain I will have to, thanks to the "health care reform" our government just passed!!

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The long waiting lists are not so long, sometimes nonexistent, depending on what part of Canada you happen to be in.


I truly hope you never have to wait in one of those long lines when you need medical help!! I know for certain I will have to, thanks to the "health care reform" our government just passed!!

You really hope he doesn't have to wait in a long line for care?

You're a much better person than I am.

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Monte wrote:
The long waiting lists are not so long, sometimes nonexistent, depending on what part of Canada you happen to be in.


The real problem is that private practice is rapidly edging out the public system. People are willing to pay double or more (once to the public system via taxes and again to a private provider) to avoid the wait times. In every province except Alberta, a doctor can choose to service either public or private patients, not both. If he chooses to service public patients he deals with the cap and has to take whatever the government pays him. If he services private patients he can schedule as many patients as he wants and charge whatever he wants. All this means physicians are exiting public service and going into private practice, driving up the wait times for the public system even further.

Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Ontario don't see this because while doctors can enter private practice, they cannot charge more than the public system would pay out for that same service. Quebec had this law too but the courts threw it out. So they can only really take patients that are willing to pay double for the privilege of being seen earlier, which really limits the market for them. In the other provinces, anything goes. There is no regulation like the US where he has to charge everyone the same fee for the same service, either. If you want to pay four times as much, sure, he can get you in today. If he thinks you're a rich idiot he can quote you twice as much as the next guy for the same treatment, it's perfectly legal.

In Alberta it's even worse, they recently made it legal for doctors to service both private and public patients. So now every doctor there is giving preferential treatment to those who will pay extra and maybe sticking in the people on the government plan six months from now, if they have time.


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Ok, so since he does 80% of his business through medicare, he should have to make up those loses in other ways? You're suggesting he should do more private insurance to cover the losses on medicare?

That's basically stating that Medicare is a losing proposition is it not?


Perhaps he should have chosen a better field of medicine. Plastic surgery, or something more profitable?

(I ask the above question in a continuance of my comparison to the unemployed guy that so many people come down so hard on, not because I actually think this guy deserves what's happening).

edit - mainstream heterodox....


Ok, then, so you approve of your government-run health care system forcing doctors out of certain areas of medicine, so that patients can't find doctors to treat them. How does this comply with your "healthcare is a right" philosophy? You're now violating patients rights.


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