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I disagree. He's not a racist - he's a troll.

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Monte,

"Racism" is being used as a political weapon, as evidenced recently by the NAACP. This is not a good thing. There's real, significant racism out there - on both sides. The use of "racism" as a weapon is producing a backlash - this will hurt equality in this country tremendously.


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Best I can tell it's a photoshop of a facebook page.

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Best I can tell it's a photoshop of a facebook page.


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That's **** weaksauce, even for libs to attempt.

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Monty - in what way is that evidence of racism? Even if it was real (which it's not), then he's calling for the deaths of whites as well.


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Monte,

"Racism" is being used as a political weapon, as evidenced recently by the NAACP. This is not a good thing. There's real, significant racism out there - on both sides. The use of "racism" as a weapon is producing a backlash - this will hurt equality in this country tremendously.



The NAACP rightly pointed out that the Tea Party has racist strains, and that it needs to address those strains. There is real, significant racism in the Tea Party. Trying to draw some kind of false equivalence between people who claim that African Americans should feel blessed that we had slavery in this country because if we didn't they would be over in Africa dying of AIDS, and people who believe in affirmative action is intellectually dishonest.

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Monty - in what way is that evidence of racism? Even if it was real (which it's not), then he's calling for the deaths of whites as well.


That wasn't intended to be about racism, just the general violence inherent in the Tea Party movement.

By the way, where is the proof this is fake? It's not like this sort of stuff is new territory for the Tea Party.

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Monty, where is your uproar over the New Black Panthers and their desire to kill cops, white people and white babies? They support Obama. You support Obama. My next question is why do you want to kill cops, white people and white babies Monty?

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Monte wrote:
By the way, where is the proof this is fake? It's not like this sort of stuff is new territory for the Tea Party.

Proof that it's not? I'm looking at the Tea Party Patriots wall right now -- what's the date this was screenshotted?

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Monty, where is your uproar over the New Black Panthers and their desire to kill cops, white people and white babies? They support Obama. You support Obama. My next question is why do you want to kill cops, white people and white babies Monty?


The New Black Panthers support Obama? Funny. The guy that the right has been howling about opposed the President. Vehemently. I don't think the President has the endorsement of the New Black Panther party, and if the President did, I doubt they would stand for it. He denounced Reverend Wright, for example. He's not really given to staying connected to racists and demagogues. Do you suppose he has the Black Panther's support because the black panthers are black?

As for your allegation that the New Black Panthers desire to kill kops, white people, *and* white babies, I'm unfamiliar with those positions. I certainly would see that as a horrid, unacceptable position. I reject the Black Panthers anyway, but that would merely compound my rejection.

But the Tea Party doesn't want to distance themselves from their racist base except for shuffling them off camera. Fox News hosted Williams, the aforementioned racist co-chair of the Tea Party Express several times and promoted his tour. They directly called for people to join him, and showcased Williams on both their main news broadcasts and their opinion shows. I see the racists in the Tea Parties greeted with open arms. I also see the Tea Party using the ever so effective "No U" defense when people dare to point these things out to them.

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I know, TLDR, but I do think this is worth the read:

The NAACP on the Tea Party:
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Today, NAACP delegates passed a resolution to condemn extremist elements within the Tea Party, calling on Tea Party leaders to repudiate those in their ranks who use racist language in their signs and speeches.

The reaction to this announcement has been swift and, in the main, negative. Next door, Dave Weigel, whose knowledge of the Tea Party is formidable, dismisses the resolution as "silliness" and "a stunt," and Chris Bodenner bemoans the fact that he ended Monday praising the Tea Party over the NAACP. If I'm reading this right, Michael Tomasky believes Obama should attack the NAACP because their resolution "heightens division." I think Michael McGough captures the spirit of "sensible" criticism:
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I see a fairness problem with the NAACP's resolution calling upon Tea Party leaders to "repudiate those in their ranks who use racist language in their signs and speeches." (The quote is from an NAACP press release which does not provide the text of the resolution.) Calling on an organization to denounce abhorrent behavior by some of its devotees may seem reasonable. But it implies that the extremists/bigots/bombers are a sufficiently significant component of the organization that such a gesture is necessary.

The NAACP's announcement initially struck me in much the same the way. But some hours of considering this have proven to me that my initial skepticism says more about the broad American narrative of race and racism, then it does about the justness of the NAACP's charge.

I think it's worth, first, considering the record of American racism, and then the record of the Tea Party and its allies. Racism tends to attract attention when it's flagrant and filled with invective. But like all bigotry, the most potent component of racism is frame-flipping--positioning the bigot as the actual victim. So the gay do not simply want to marry, they want to convert our children into sin. The Jews do not merely want to be left in peace, they actually are plotting world take-over. And the blacks are not actually victims of American power, but beneficiaries of the war against hard-working whites. This is a respectable, more sensible, bigotry, one that does not seek to name-call, preferring instead change the subject and strawman. Thus segregation wasn't necessary to keep the niggers in line, it was necessary to protect the honor of white women.

In that same vein we confront Glenn Beck, arguably the movement's greatest and most full-throated advocate in the media. Here is Glenn Beck discussing President Barack Obama's attempt to convene Officer Michael Crowley and Henry Louis Gates for a beer-summit:
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This president, I think, has exposed himself as a guy, over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture, I don't know what it is...I'm not saying he doesn't like white people, I'm saying he has a problem.

Here is Glenn Beck discussing President Barack Obama's push for health care reform:
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Barack Obama is setting up universal healthcare, universal college, green jobs as stealth reparations. That way the victim status is maintained. And he also brings back back‑door reparations.

Perhaps one considers Glenn Beck merely a minor associate of the Tea Party. I don't agree, but fair enough. It's probably better to consider those politicians which the Tea Party has embraced, presumably, as embodying their values.

Steve King has long been an ally of the Tea Party and was the keynote speaker at the Tennessee Tea Party Coalition's Convention. Here is King on President Barack Obama:
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"When you look at this administration, I'm offended by Eric Holder and the president also, their posture. It looks like Eric Holder said that white people in America are cowards when it comes to race," said King. "And I don't know what the basis of that is but I'm not a coward when it comes to that and I'm happy to talk about these things and I think we should. But the president has demonstrated that he has a default mechanism in him that breaks down the side of race - on the side that favors the black person."

I think it's worth acknowledging that the Colorado Tea Party canceled an appearance with King after this statement. And perhaps this is still too much distance, in which case it's worth looking at the events which took place at the Tea Party's own convention. The Tea Party selected Tom Tancredo, a politician who once called Miami "a third world country," to give an opening night speech. Tancredo, true to form, claimed that Obama was elected "because we do not have a civics literacy test before people can vote in this country," and went on to assert that..
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...people who could not even spell the word 'vote', or say it in English, put a committed socialist ideologue in the White House. His name is Barack Hussein Obama.

Tancredo was roundly cheered, and afterward, lauded by Tea Party Nation organizer Judson Phillips, for giving "a fantastic speech."

Given this record, I am at a loss to understand the criticism directed at the NAACP. This is a Civil Right organization who's taken as part of its mission opposing any attempt to inject racism into American politics. When the Tea Party's media advocates, when the politicians the movement embraces, when the speakers at its conventions do precisely that, and the NAACP responds by "calling on Tea Party leaders to repudiate those in their ranks who use racist language in their signs and speeches," I have trouble finding the actual problem.

Given my own initial skepticism, I'm left with the notion that many of us that like to consider ourselves sober-minded and fair, have forgotten the history of this country we love. No matter. I cannot speak for others, but I was immediately jogged back to reality by the Tea Party's response:
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You're dealing with people who are professional race-baiters, who make a very good living off this kind of thing. They make more money off of race than any slave trader ever. It's time groups like the NAACP went to the trash heap of history where they belong with all the other vile racist groups that emerged in our history...

This is not some deluded crazy, who has infiltrated the Tea Party with an offensive sign. This is the national spokesman for the Tea Party Express claiming that one of the authors of the 20th century American revolution is actually a "vile racist" organization. This is who they are--America's far right-wing, speaking with all the emboldened ignorance that is fast becoming their stock in trade. I have had, and continue to have, my criticism of the NAACP. But the notion that they are somehow being unfair to the Tea Party, that President Obama should denounce the NAACP, says a lot about our desire to forget and their insistence that we do no such thing.

I have long been one to question the NAACP's relevance. Moments like these remind me that I have been very wrong. It is not my style to spend my days attempting to enlighten or embarrass the Tea Party. But someone has to do it. Someone has to say, "It's not OK." That is not work for "sensible" people. But it's work that has to be done. Someone must hold the line.


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I just finished reading that piece. Thanks for posting it.

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Monte wrote:
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Monty, where is your uproar over the New Black Panthers and their desire to kill cops, white people and white babies? They support Obama. You support Obama. My next question is why do you want to kill cops, white people and white babies Monty?


The New Black Panthers support Obama? Funny. The guy that the right has been howling about opposed the President. Vehemently. I don't think the President has the endorsement of the New Black Panther party, and if the President did, I doubt they would stand for it. He denounced Reverend Wright, for example. He's not really given to staying connected to racists and demagogues. Do you suppose he has the Black Panther's support because the black panthers are black?

As for your allegation that the New Black Panthers desire to kill kops, white people, *and* white babies, I'm unfamiliar with those positions. I certainly would see that as a horrid, unacceptable position. I reject the Black Panthers anyway, but that would merely compound my rejection.

But the Tea Party doesn't want to distance themselves from their racist base except for shuffling them off camera. Fox News hosted Williams, the aforementioned racist co-chair of the Tea Party Express several times and promoted his tour. They directly called for people to join him, and showcased Williams on both their main news broadcasts and their opinion shows. I see the racists in the Tea Parties greeted with open arms. I also see the Tea Party using the ever so effective "No U" defense when people dare to point these things out to them.



Then you haven't been paying attention. One of the videos that is posted on this board has a one of the Panther members talking about killing cops, white people and white babies. Another video celebrates the fact that the black administration didn't prosecute a black man in the intimidation case. So again, if you can call the folks who support the tea party racist because of a few members, then you get to be lumped in with the Black Panthers because you both support Obama. So again Monty, why do you want to kill cops, white people and white babies? The next time you come to MS, should I be afraid you will come and try to do me and my family harm?

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Best I can tell it's a photoshop of a facebook page.


Sorry, it was not a photoshop. It's a facebook page, and it was live all the way until about 7:30 this morning. I was able to post to it if I so chose. I did not. Someone claiming to be a militia leader called for the murder of the President, the VP, Van Jones, William Ayers, and the Speaker of the House on a Tea Party facebook page.

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Wow, Obama denounced Wright? What world does this guy live in?

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http://www.pc1news.com/news/0325/fake-p ... ebook.html

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Of course, the article can be a fake too... but I doubt it. Everything on the Internet is TRUE (note the capitalization for emphasis).
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Shoot, just a few months ago a group said they were going to infiltrate tea party groups and show racist signs to paint the group in a bad light. What's to stop some libtard from making a fake FB account and page doing pretty much the same? I mean our local idiot stick Monty certainly is ready to fall for it.

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Nice one camel, nice one.

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One of the videos that is posted on this board has a one of the Panther members talking about killing cops, white people and white babies. Another video celebrates the fact that the black administration didn't prosecute a black man in the intimidation case. So again, if you can call the folks who support the tea party racist because of a few members, then you get to be lumped in with the Black Panthers because you both support Obama. So again Monty, why do you want to kill cops, white people and white babies? The next time you come to MS, should I be afraid you will come and try to do me and my family harm?


That guy? He vehemently opposed Obama, from what I understand.

You should do more homework. I assume we are talking about the same guy that the Obama administration got an injunction against, right? The same guy that the Bush administration declined to prosecute? He's a crazy, racist *******, but he's not an Obama supporter.

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Monte wrote:
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One of the videos that is posted on this board has a one of the Panther members talking about killing cops, white people and white babies. Another video celebrates the fact that the black administration didn't prosecute a black man in the intimidation case. So again, if you can call the folks who support the tea party racist because of a few members, then you get to be lumped in with the Black Panthers because you both support Obama. So again Monty, why do you want to kill cops, white people and white babies? The next time you come to MS, should I be afraid you will come and try to do me and my family harm?


That guy? He vehemently opposed Obama, from what I understand.

You should do more homework. I assume we are talking about the same guy that the Obama administration got an injunction against, right? The same guy that the Bush administration declined to prosecute? He's a crazy, racist *******, but he's not an Obama supporter.



It's ok Monty, defend your racist buddies who want to kill cops, white people and white babies. We see you for who you really are. I feel bad for the cop, white person or white baby you plan on running through with one of your swords.

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They got an injunction against him, yes. And then, after the government outright won their case, they dropped it.

Shabazz recieved a lifetime ban from polling places, then mysteriously had it reduced to "until 2012". Several other members of the NBP recieved injunction as individuals, and the organization itself recieved one, those were thrown out entirely. As if by magic.

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They got an injunction against him, yes. And then, after the government outright won their case, they dropped it.

Shabazz recieved a lifetime ban from polling places, then mysteriously had it reduced to "until 2012". Several other members of the NBP recieved injunction as individuals, and the organization itself recieved one, those were thrown out entirely. As if by magic.


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